Lawfare.....not Warfare. But still nasty.....

[Stirlingsays]

A good enough reason, by itself, for going back in.

😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉

I would say be careful what you wish for.

But I know you just want it all to burn anyway.

Hey, it probably will regardless.

 

[cryrst]

You are getting very confused.

The comment was about “what has been done to their country”! Not about immigration.

I’m not the one who’s 80 odd so the confusion might well not be mine !

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They do, they have admitted it, 'Lord'Ali with glasses and suits for Two Tier Kier, Free concert tickets and clothes for Reeves and the despicable Rayner avoiding property taxes.....

Were the gifts illegal though? That was the question. Token gifts given to friends in appreciation of their hard work generally aren’t.

Rayner’s case is different. She entrusted the legal niceties of a complicated property situation to the experts and found herself under a spotlight. Ultimately, I believe, it was said that everything was legally in order, although there has been damage to her credibility.

Non of this compares to what Le Pen has been found guilty of.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I’m not the one who’s 80 odd so the confusion might well not be mine !

It isn’t though is it?

You missed the point not me.

Age discrimination is though offensive, especially when it’s so inaccurate.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Are you suggesting you know how I think better than I do?

No. I am saying that your statement inferred something else. What you think and what you write are not necessarily the same.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906771849742041399

She quite clearly means if a new government transgresses EU rules then remedial action is within their control.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No. I am saying that your statement inferred something else. What you think and what you write are not necessarily the same.

That you infer something is beside the point and beyond my control. There was no implication.

 

[cryrst]

It isn’t though is it?

You missed the point not me.

Age discrimination is though offensive, especially when it’s so inaccurate.

I think it’s fact that older people get more confused so it’s not discrimination.

 

[the silurian]

Were the gifts illegal though? That was the question. Token gifts given to friends in appreciation of their hard work generally aren’t.

Rayner’s case is different. She entrusted the legal niceties of a complicated property situation to the experts and found herself under a spotlight. Ultimately, I believe, it was said that everything was legally in order, although there has been damage to her credibility.

Non of this compares to what Le Pen has been found guilty of.

ok I give up, maybe not illegal but certainly immoral!! You just keep on defending your Labour heros, Ill just get on with life!

 

[Badger11]

ok I give up, maybe not illegal but certainly immoral!! You just keep on defending your Labour heros, Ill just get on with life!

Politicians who get caught fiddling the books are idiots.

Whether it's the US, EU or UK the rules around claiming expenses or accepting donations are deliberately vague to protect them.

As you say mostly it's immoral because they make sure that the law doesn't apply so if the odd one gets caught doing something illegal my guess is the rest just laugh at their stupidity.

So we have MPS claiming for their fuel bills on their second homes whilst sticking it to the pensioner.

Labour quietly announced the other day that they are going to do very little about foreign donations. At the time Musk was supposed to be giving Reform millions they were all up in arms but now that doesn't look like it's happening Labour and the Tories don't want to close that door just in case Sheik Yo Money is feeling generous to them.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You're right - it does look that way. But something tells me that no one is investigating anyone. Other than those they deem unsuitable, of course. As many, including experts, have stated, they're all at it but it's only one person they noticed. That smacks of two tier.
Funnily enough, I think this will make France right wing. They love a victim of unfair treatment. They're still going on about the Dreyfuss affair and Napoleon's imprisonment. Riots could ensue but they always do so no one will notice.

I think that, like here, opinion will be divided.

For me there is a huge practical difference between someone whose staff take advantage of unclear regulations and another who milks millions from an institution they detest, and gets caught. The first will be audited and, if found out of order, be given a slap on the wrist and clearer instructions. The second will be prosecuted.

Here our politicians now go to extraordinary lengths to ensure that they declare everything, but still get tripped up occasionally.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

ok I give up, maybe not illegal but certainly immoral!! You just keep on defending your Labour heros, Ill just get on with life!

I don’t have any Labour heroes!

I just try to be fair.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That you infer something is beside the point and beyond my control. There was no implication.

It’s not beside the point if what you write isn’t what you mean. That is within your control.

Clarity matters.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Politicians who get caught fiddling the books are idiots.

Whether it's the US, EU or UK the rules around claiming expenses or accepting donations are deliberately vague to protect them.

As you say mostly it's immoral because they make sure that the law doesn't apply so if the odd one gets caught doing something illegal my guess is the rest just laugh at their stupidity.

So we have MPS claiming for their fuel bills on their second homes whilst sticking it to the pensioner.

Labour quietly announced the other day that they are going to do very little about foreign donations. At the time Musk was supposed to be giving Reform millions they were all up in arms but now that doesn't look like it's happening Labour and the Tories don't want to close that door just in case Sheik Yo Money is feeling generous to them.

It’s those who think politicians are fiddling the books that are the idiots!

They are much too busy to be doing that. The books are delegated to assistants and accountants who try to ensure they stay within the rules but do the best job they can for their employer. Just as any busy executive would do.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

It seems Lawfare is acceptable now. The case(s) against Trump pre-election, the Southport civil unrest (which prosecutions were fast-tracked and given unduly lengthy sentencing to quash further demonstrations), now Marine Le Pen and the European Parliament.

I would also cite Luigi Mangione who shot dead the Healthcare CEO in America. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty (if convicted). Perchance as an example that you'll pay an ultimate price for killing an 'elite'.

Not really any basis in fact , but just my opinion on what I'm seeing in the media. It's really difficult to believe politics and the legal system aren't very closely linked, rather than being independent of each other.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It’s not beside the point if what you write isn’t what you mean. That is within your control.

Clarity matters.

Alright, in the interests of clarity explain the hidden meanings in this sentence.

"Of course you do because nothing else fits your conviction that the authorities are always right."

Since you've drawn all these inferences there must be a few.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Alright, in the interests of clarity explain the hidden meanings in this sentence.

"Of course you do because nothing else fits your conviction that the authorities are always right."

Since you've drawn all these inferences there must be a few.

I accused you of suggesting you knew my mind better than myself. Which you subsequently denied. The meaning of your words is very clear to me. It confirms my accusation. So if it doesn’t what does it mean?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I accused you of suggesting you knew my mind better than myself. Which you subsequently denied. The meaning of your words is very clear to me. It confirms my accusation. So if it doesn’t what does it mean?

That was in response to my original assertion so now you're literally arguing with your own gibberish. Address the original point or give it up.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It seems Lawfare is acceptable now. The case(s) against Trump pre-election, the Southport civil unrest (which prosecutions were fast-tracked and given unduly lengthy sentencing to quash further demonstrations), now Marine Le Pen and the European Parliament.

I would also cite Luigi Mangione who shot dead the Healthcare CEO in America. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty (if convicted). Perchance as an example that you'll pay an ultimate price for killing an 'elite'.

Not really any basis in fact , but just my opinion on what I'm seeing in the media. It's really difficult to believe politics and the legal system aren't very closely linked, rather than being independent of each other.

You are making assumptions. The cases against Trump were all brought because of what he did. If he hadn’t done those things there would have been no case to answer.

Le Pen is in a similar position.

Holding wanna be leaders to account is a legal duty. Not a political action.

The riots last summer were stamped on by the Courts before they got totally out of control by fast tracking cases and issuing heavy sentences. Courts have the discretion to do that if it serves the public interest.

Seeking the death penalty is not so unusual. What a Judge decides, if a guilty verdict is returned, is another matter entirely.

The right are pushing this “lawfare” bs for all it’s worth, led, of course, by Trump who is now taking revenge on the public servants and lawyers who did their duty. There is where the lawfare really resides.

We owe it to justice to back those who administer it and not support those, like Trump, who seem to think they are above the law.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That was in response to my original assertion so now you're literally arguing with your own gibberish. Address the original point or give it up.

I regret you don’t understand the point but I cannot get inside your head, even if you seem to think you can in mine. As this is of no interest to anyone else if you feel it’s necessary to continue arguing then I suggest you do so via a pm.