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Labour Party politics

Next week labour produce their 10 year industrial strategy.

Whether it's any good we have to see, but there was none atall under the tories.

Think of all the good infrastructure things you could do, but Labour bin another 25 billions on that symbol of national failure, HS2.

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steeleye20 said:
Next week labour produce their 10 year industrial strategy.

Whether it's any good we have to see, but there was none atall under the tories.

Think of all the good infrastructure things you could do, but Labour bin another 25 billions on that symbol of national failure, HS2.

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HS2, ill conceived , costly and an icon of political nonsense.

I would have spent the money primarily on non urban bus improvements and if any spare them some East West rail improvement in the North.

East Anglia need more frequent buses
 
HKOwen said:
HS2, ill conceived , costly and an icon of political nonsense.

I would have spent the money primarily on non urban bus improvements and if any spare them some East West rail improvement in the North.

East Anglia need more frequent buses
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More accurately East Anglia needs bus services period.

My dad lives about 1 hour from Norwich and I don't drive, it's a nightmare trying to get to see him. No trains and bus service is non existent or once a week on a Wednesday but only if its a full moon.

They could really do with a mass transit system like the DLR, I suspect that much of the land used by the rail companies is still there.

I also suspect that the population has increased since Dr Beechings time (migration from London) so what was once uneconomical may now be viable.
 
Badger11 said:
More accurately East Anglia needs bus services period.

My dad lives about 1 hour from Norwich and I don't drive, it's a nightmare trying to get to see him. No trains and bus service is non existent or once a week on a Wednesday but only if its a full moon.

They could really do with a mass transit system like the DLR, I suspect that much of the land used by the rail companies is still there.

I also suspect that the population has increased since Dr Beechings time (migration from London) so what was once uneconomical may now be viable.
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From my place in Suffolk to Bury St Edmunds is I think an hourly service, if you don't have a car you are to a degree trapped.
 
Croydon Red said:
Once you leave London, bus services are really poor.

The billions wasted on HS2 should, as you rightly say, have been used to improve bus services throughout the country.
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Countries need infrastructure. The HS2 atm looks like a total waste granted . The tent in Greenwich was the same and no doubt the M25 at conception. Both now have proven their worth as will HS2 in time.
 
This one sums up the dilemma quite nicely.

www.dailymail.co.uk

One-legged amputee has benefits cut after being filmed playing cricket

Shaun Rigby, 37, said he was told by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) that officials had covertly tailed him for weeks as part of a probe into his disability claim.
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Firstly he is not a benefit scrounger and as far as I can see has done nothing wrong under the current rules. However although he is disabled he has a full time job plus he was getting benefits of £500 per month which he has now lost.

Of course he has our sympathy for losing his leg as a child but does that entitle him to extra money from the government? He is fit enough to play cricket and hold down a job.

Over the decades the breadth and scope of benefits keep increasing and this is the issue that government now faces. I suspect that if you go back 50 years he would not have been entitled to them.

So how do you have a benefits system that is fair and helps those most in need whilst acknowledging that the taxpayer cannot help everyone.
 
cryrst said:
Countries need infrastructure. The HS2 atm looks like a total waste granted . The tent in Greenwich was the same and no doubt the M25 at conception. Both now have proven their worth as will HS2 in time.
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Hs2 is a 100+ year investment and I think will be good for a long time. I will not be around to see it unfortunately.
 
Starmer's flip-flopping is akin to my car windscreen wipers in a downpour.

He's definitely not Labour. . Now it transpires the electorate are angry they got another Tory Government.
 
The thread should be 'Party politics'. All parties have to eventually deal with reality, as will Reform if they ever get into power. Labour governments often implement policies that would cause uproar from the Left if the 'Wicked Tories' implemented the same policies. Tory governments often implement policies that the Right would decry as 'far-left' from Labour. The Liberals in coalition abandoned practically all of their policies. The Scots and Welsh Nationalists are more interested in staying in power in their regions and using British taxes, not relishing full independence as they know it would be practically impossible to make a success of it.
The problem is over-government and over-taxation. Vote for the party that is likely to do the least damage in those areas and cut state spending - hopefully Reform, but they would probably just be the least of several evils.
 
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Matov said:
I suspect a push against Starmer is beginning to build. But with the Net Zero lunacy definitely on the way out rather than tax hikes. Labour simply cannot go into the next election with it as a policy. Need to ditch it ASAP.

And that is going to cause even more rifts but I cannot really see much electoral damage in that for them beyond reduced majorities in urban seats.

Both Labour and the Tories are in immense trouble now thanks to Reform. Labour are certainly in a better position to see off the threat but as things stand, not sure they have the IQ bandwidth to grasp that. And they do have to grasp it because they literally, as things stand, having nothing meaningful to counter Reform with. They are not going to do anything to stop the illegals showing up, they cannot raise taxes.

Hence why ditching Net Zero is the only option open to them in terms of proclaiming they are listening.
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People don't care about net zero enough to change their vote

They do care about immigrants piling in and making our lives even harder than the struggle the Tories made it.

You are first into the furnace, the Ecifascist Party hasn't forgotten 🤣
 
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