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The state pension which is half the minimum wage? Sure. Help yourself.
Those in need would not see a penny taken.

Those who have it as an unearned beano on top of your generous private pension and zero mortgage would.

What part of pensioners are about £1000 richer a month than the waged in disposable income...
 
Those in need would not see a penny taken.

Those who have it as an unearned beano on top of your generous private pension and zero mortgage would.

What part of pensioners are about £1000 richer a month than the waged in disposable income...
What part of working 50 years...
No idea how many pensioners have this £1000 a month extra but I'm not one of them.
 
What part of working 50 years...
No idea how many pensioners have this £1000 a month extra but I'm not one of them.

I think the point is £1000pm more than younger people who are renting or paying a mortgage.

You can't help when you are born. Personally I would means test the pension system though. I know loads of moaning pensioners so I point out that can afford to play golf and buy new cars. They're the ones I'm talking about.

Of course, if we just booted out the 10 million new arrivals since 2016 we wouldn't be worrying about it and coming up with so many stealth taxes. That's one thing that pensioners weren't ever hit with, this rate of tax for the services on offer.
 
And just like another poster when asked to put his money where his mouth is you side step the question.

Please answer the question. Are you prepared to take a dip in your state pension to pay for improved policies on illegal immigration? Yes or no?
If you can provide the positives and savings, then I’m sure you will get an answer. Are you in a position to not need your pension ?
 
No you didn't. That is the great lie that props up the pension system.

Every penny in tax you paid was used to pay for public services you enjoyed at the time.

Your NI was used to cover sickness, unemployment etc. The clue is in the word "insurance".

The pension system was necessary in 1948 but is unnecessary in its application now. There are 12.9 million people in receipt of state pension (AND GROWING FAST) but only 1.9 million pensioners in poverty (who should receive benefit).

The disposable income of pensioners shot passed the waged many years ago. Pensioners enjoy roughly £1000 more a month than the waged than 10 years ago. Ever wonder why your visit to a new car showroom only has people your age; or why every foreign holiday you have feels like a Darby and Joan Club outing?

The state pension has become a sacred cow that cannot be removed because every selfish recipient votes.

And the word selfish is apt. If you want the greatest complaints about immigration, the loudest voices are from those of pensionable age. Just check this site. I don't disagree with the sentiment. But while you all insist on policies to curb illegal immigration to be made a priority over all other public expenditure, the one exception is the state pension that you personally receive.

It rather devalues your argument if you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is.

I work and am happy to pay more tax to fund it. Will you similarly accept a reduction in your state pension to achieve the same outcome?

Great post.

I think pensioners just need to buy less coffee and Netflix subscriptions - that's the financial advice we normally offer to struggling young people.
 
I think the point is £1000pm more than younger people who are renting or paying a mortgage.

You can't help when you are born. Personally I would means test the pension system though. I know loads of moaning pensioners so I point out that can afford to play golf and buy new cars. They're the ones I'm talking about.

Of course, if we just booted out the 10 million new arrivals since 2016 we wouldn't be worrying about it and coming up with so many stealth taxes. That's one thing that pensioners weren't ever hit with, this rate of tax for the services on offer.
And in the next few decades those arrivals will be looking for a pension as well. Golf and new cars? Alright but how many of them are also helping out their kids and families.
 
Great post.

I think pensioners just need to buy less coffee and Netflix subscriptions - that's the financial advice we normally offer to struggling young people.
Or not spend 30% of their pension on fuel for heat and light and another 30% on food and maybe a treat with the other 40%. Feckem they dont deserve any help, let em starve as they are no use now they don’t work. Ironically there are more working age people sucking more out than pensioners ever will.
 
You are an intelligent bloke Teddy, but I fear you are completely out of touch with how tough it is for the working family these days.

I think think this is more a subjective position. I am very sympathetic towards young people's struggle but in my experience things were always tough for working families - I started work in the mid-Seventies on £26 a week and life wasn't too rosy then either.
 
Or not spend 30% of their pension on fuel for heat and light and another 30% on food and maybe a treat with the other 40%. Feckem they dont deserve any help, let em starve as they are no use now they don’t work. Ironically there are more working age people sucking more out than pensioners ever will.

Your policy is more extreme than mine, but if that's what you think.

Your last sentence is completely untrue - the state pension is our single largest welfare benefit (about 3x what we spend on disability benefits), and pensioner benefits collectively account for the largest share of welfare spending.
 
Your policy is more extreme than mine, but if that's what you think.

Your last sentence is completely untrue - the state pension is our single largest welfare benefit (about 3x what we spend on disability benefits), and pensioner benefits collectively account for the largest share of welfare spending.
As a single payment yes. Across the board though only part of payments out.
I don’t exactly get what you and silver are proposing. If it’s means testing I agree, if all benefits are means tested but pip and others are not so is that fair on pensioners ?
 

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As a single payment yes. Across the board though only part of payments out.
I don’t exactly get what you and silver are proposing. If it’s means testing I agree, if all benefits are means tested but pip and others are not so is that fair on pensioners ?

Even with that heavily skewed framing, your own screenshot shows that total payouts for pensioners are higher than working-age people and children.

Yes, an end to the triple lock and means testing would be very obvious starting points.

I'd agree most benefits should be means tested.
 
Great post.

I think pensioners just need to buy less coffee and Netflix subscriptions - that's the financial advice we normally offer to struggling young people.
'Shut up, you dopey bellend'

That's the advice I'd give to younger people who think they know it all.
 
Even with that heavily skewed framing, your own screenshot shows that total payouts for pensioners are higher than working-age people and children.

Yes, an end to the triple lock and means testing would be very obvious starting points.

I'd agree most benefits should be means tested.
I put up the numbers. I haven’t skewed anything. How much is enough for a pensioner or couple to survive for 20 years then if means testing. Property, council tax and household bills excluded to make it a real number. I mean fancy wanting treats as an old person !
 

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