Labour Party politics

Mandelson's position became untenable, only after incriminating Epstein files were going to be made public.
Mandelson knew these documents existed, and you can bet Starmer did. Putting the precautionary approach of "innocent until proved guilty", to one side, this has got to critically damage Starmer. If it weren't for other hot news topics keeping this from the front pages, Starmer would be packing his bags. (just my opinion)
And the gut-wrenching stuff, is that Mandelson's connections/activities were known about before he was gifted the dream job of Ambassador to the USA. I also reckon Mandelson got a hefty pay-off and final salary pension. Mandelson should probably be in jail.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Mandelson's position became untenable, only after incriminating Epstein files were going to be made public.
Mandelson knew these documents existed, and you can bet Starmer did. Putting the precautionary approach of "innocent until proved guilty", to one side, this has got to critically damage Starmer. If it weren't for other hot news topics keeping this from the front pages, Starmer would be packing his bags. (just my opinion)
And the gut-wrenching stuff, is that Mandelson's connections/activities were known about before he was gifted the dream job of Ambassador to the USA. I also reckon Mandelson got a hefty pay-off and final salary pension. Mandelson should probably be in jail.
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He's is for a hefty pay off right enough. The tax payer wears it as usual.

www.express.co.uk

Peter Mandelson set for six-figure golden handshake after Epstein scandal

The Labour peer is understood to have told friends he has no intention of standing down from the House of Lords.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 
Spiderman said:
I am beginning to believe Starmer is doing this on purpose as he is a dead man walking. Why would you make this racist woman HS, why would you make Mandleson UK Ambassador to USA?
David Lammy as Foreign Secretary, I could go on.
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Because he doesn't have too many friends in his own party?
 
I want the Labour leadership to stop lying about being centralist....because they aren't really......and to start being honest about their politics and represent their base.

I've said it for years, parties should represent their party members who work for them....not monied interests and 'focus groups'.

The real Labour party is far closer to the likes of Steely (said without malice) and Corbyn and at the moment it's found itself caught inbetween political worlds pleasing no one......and thus it's completely unsuited to governing.

Authenticity above half truths and lies.

Starmer represents the dishonesty stain hanging over the Labour party. They can't win anything while that remains.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
Mandelson's position became untenable, only after incriminating Epstein files were going to be made public.
Mandelson knew these documents existed, and you can bet Starmer did. Putting the precautionary approach of "innocent until proved guilty", to one side, this has got to critically damage Starmer. If it weren't for other hot news topics keeping this from the front pages, Starmer would be packing his bags. (just my opinion)
And the gut-wrenching stuff, is that Mandelson's connections/activities were known about before he was gifted the dream job of Ambassador to the USA. I also reckon Mandelson got a hefty pay-off and final salary pension. Mandelson should probably be in jail.
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Mandelson is a talented mind and in another time suited to being a diplomat.

However over his career he's been compromised several times and was a known quantity. It calls into question, once again, Starmer's judgement and also to my mind his own questionable and liberal attitude to sexual misconduct.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
Mandelson is a talented mind and in another time suited to being a diplomat.

However over his career he's been compromised several times and was a known quantity. It calls into question, once again, Starmer's judgement and also to my mind his own questionable and liberal attitude to sexual misconduct.
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Agreed. One of the problems new parties like Reform will have is often the people they hire are unknown quantities and then the dirt comes out. So I have some sympathy when that happens.

Mandelson’s faults are well known and Labour (and Tory parties) have decades of experience in vetting people and in this case because of the job the security services also weighed in.

We all know he was sacked twice but there were many other allegations against Mandelson that he managed to survive. Questions marks over how his Brazilian boyfriend got a visa. He actually lied on his mortgage application which is a legal document and therefore perjury. Luckily for him the BS decided not to pursue it probably because they didn't want to get mired in the scandal. And of course the freebies.

Whether you believe these other scandals are true is actually irrelevant. The point is that Mandelson is toxic and like Boris Johnson you know it's going to end in tears if you hire them.

It was an appalling lack of judgement on Starmer's part.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I want the Labour leadership to stop lying about being centralist....because they aren't really......and to start being honest about their politics and represent their base.

I've said it for years, parties should represent their party members who work for them....not monied interests and 'focus groups'.

The real Labour party is far closer to the likes of Steely (said without malice) and Corbyn and at the moment it's found itself caught inbetween political worlds pleasing no one......and thus it's completely unsuited to governing.

Authenticity above half truths and lies.

Starmer represents the dishonesty stain hanging over the Labour party. They can't win anything while that remains.
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Time for a bit more Healy and Benn politics
 
On Labour's constant whining about Farage.....some wag commented that Farage doesn't need to buy or live in a house at the moment as he's living rent free in Labour's head.
 
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