Labour Party politics

beak said:
So what does Labour compare themselves to/ An Imaginary Reform Party?
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They're in government. The clue's in the name. They can measure themselves against their own targets. They are the ones that set them. Political point scoring should really be for the opposition. If the government improves things for people, people tend to like them. When they blame someone else for things not improving, then people just ignore it as blatant sidetracking and excuses.
 
beak said:
So what does Labour compare themselves to/ An Imaginary Reform Party?
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I suppose their strapline could be “ yes we’re s*** but not as s*** as the Tories “

They need to stop making any comparisons and start focusing on what they are doing - it’s a fairly short list in terms of real achievements but it’s a start .
 
NEILLO said:
I suppose their strapline could be “ yes we’re s*** but not as s*** as the Tories “

They need to stop making any comparisons and start focusing on what they are doing - it’s a fairly short list in terms of real achievements but it’s a start .
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......but measuring yourself against something is normal human behaviour surely.
 
beak said:
......but measuring yourself against something is normal human behaviour surely.
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By now and after 18 months in Government, they should be measuring themselves against their Manifesto and their internal performance indicators.

I’m only pointing out to you what’s being widely reported in the media when it comes to the persistent references to the last Government. A viewpoint that I agree with.

If you were a year and a half into a new job, how impressed would your boss be ( or shareholders as well if you were a CEO ) if you weren’t taking ownership of both current and inherited issues but instead blamed the previous incumbent ?

In the corporate world I worked in I’d be out on my ear by now if I adopted that approach.
 
beak said:
In a nutshell the 2% target has not been reached for years but Labour have got inflation down and the bank have reduced Interest rates five times as a consequence, no politician gives a decent answer they stick to their pre- arranged script Farage is very good at this.
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You need to look at the stats.
Inflation has risen steadily since Labour took over last year.
The Tories suffered from covid, the war in Ukraine and a politically motivated Bank of England.
When interest rates should have gone up as inflation rose after covid, Bailey just said that inflation rising was temporary - wrong.
When inflation plummeted they should have lowered rates but they refused to because they knew it would help the Tories - wrong move.
When inflation rose under Labour, they started cutting rates when they had no right to based on the 2% target - politically motivated and wrong.
 
Here's what a City Broker, Shore Capital, has to say about Reeves and Co;

Describing Britain’s political leaders as “detached, ignorant, and selfish”, Shore Capital analysts Clive Black and David Hughes said the Treasury “just do[es] not understand the damage they are causing to this country’s consumer economy.”

“[The Treasury is] incapable of either creating the conditions for private capital to flourish or controlling Government expenditure, making for a never-ending debate on what taxes to increase,” Black and Hughes said.

“To be clear, the prime source of that UK food inflation is the policies of the British Government, [and] taxes on labour,” Black and Hughes said.

They pointed to the effect of elevated employers’ National Insurance Contributions (NIC), the higher National Living Wage (NLW) and wider raids such as the new Extended Producer Responsibility (EPR).
 
I've realised that these lot spent so long in opposition that they're preprogrammed for that. In opposition they moaned about the Tories and offered little. It took them 14 years to get rid of a not very good government. Now they are in government, all they can do is still moan about the Tories. It's all they know how to do. And they're not even that good at that - as 14 years demonstrated. This will be another government consigned to the bin of history.
 
The Dolphin said:
You need to look at the stats.
Inflation has risen steadily since Labour took over last year.
The Tories suffered from covid, the war in Ukraine and a politically motivated Bank of England.
When interest rates should have gone up as inflation rose after covid, Bailey just said that inflation rising was temporary - wrong.
When inflation plummeted they should have lowered rates but they refused to because they knew it would help the Tories - wrong move.
When inflation rose under Labour, they started cutting rates when they had no right to based on the 2% target - politically motivated and wrong.
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It peaked at 11.1% under the Tories. The Bank of England is notoriously independent do you make up stories for the Daily Mail ,your post is very light on true fact. Make it short ,make it up.
 
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NEILLO said:
By now and after 18 months in Government, they should be measuring themselves against their Manifesto and their internal performance indicators.

I’m only pointing out to you what’s being widely reported in the media when it comes to the persistent references to the last Government. A viewpoint that I agree with.

If you were a year and a half into a new job, how impressed would your boss be ( or shareholders as well if you were a CEO ) if you weren’t taking ownership of both current and inherited issues but instead blamed the previous incumbent ?

In the corporate world I worked in I’d be out on my ear by now if I adopted that approach.
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Exactly. I have no problem in Labour saying we inherited this mess from the Tories but look what we have done to fix it.....Instead all we get is hand wringing.
 
Clive Lewis is willing to give up his seat in the Commons for Andy Burnham. How very noble of him and arrogant.

It's like Clinton's comment about his wife's Presidential campaign "it's her turn".

I hope he does step aside and Labour get a bloody nose from Reform. It just shows the mindset of these politicians, I mean why bother having elections anyway.
 
I think It is worth pointing out that the Government are due to lose an awful lot of revenue in the very near future an estimated £50 billion of fuel duty will be lost as cars electrify. Pressure from groups such as the Portman group to do away with Tobacco ,cigarettes, cigars etc is apparently going to stop another £50 billion so whoever is in power will have to look down the back of the sofa which will cause immense problems in retaining the Triple Lock on the State Pension the Reform Party have already said benefits will be slashed if they ever get the reigns of power and in fairness Farage has said he will not commit to the Triple Lock. I have never been more worried about that other benefit (it sucks up most money) the NHS. In summation whatever the political hue of the party there are vicious headwinds ahead. So don't get old and don't get ill.
 
beak said:
I think It is worth pointing out that the Government are due to lose an awful lot of revenue in the very near future an estimated £50 billion of fuel duty will be lost as cars electrify. Pressure from groups such as the Portman group to do away with Tobacco ,cigarettes, cigars etc is apparently going to stop another £50 billion so whoever is in power will have to look down the back of the sofa which will cause immense problems in retaining the Triple Lock on the State Pension the Reform Party have already said benefits will be slashed if they ever get the reigns of power and in fairness Farage has said he will not commit to the Triple Lock. I have never been more worried about that other benefit (it sucks up most money) the NHS. In summation whatever the political hue of the party there are vicious headwinds ahead. So don't get old and don't get ill.
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The coffers are indeed dry. COVID kind of nailed an economy already on the precipice. Whoever takes the reins is going to be unpopular.
And Scotland and Wales voting for parties that look after their interests. Hugely dividing, but not in a nationalistic independent way, but wanting a fairer cut of the monies from Westminster.
It's going to a huge mess to sort out.
 
Forest Hillbilly said:
The coffers are indeed dry. COVID kind of nailed an economy already on the precipice. Whoever takes the reins is going to be unpopular.
And Scotland and Wales voting for parties that look after their interests. Hugely dividing, but not in a nationalistic independent way, but wanting a fairer cut of the monies from Westminster.
It's going to a huge mess to sort out.
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Deep down the last election was a good one to lose.
 
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