Judges & the ECHR

[Wisbech Eagle]

I very much doubt it - most females have far more sense. You might as well say that someone who dresses, feels and acts as Napoleon Bonaparte is Emperor of the French in every way expect the physical.

Bad analogy. Anyone who thought like that would end up being sectioned.

Trans people aren’t ill. Their physical appearance is at odds with their sexuality.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What would the attitude be if a twenty-year old identified as someone who's eighty? Would he genuinely know what it's like to be sixty years older?

Another bad analogy. They would end up being sectioned.

 

[georgenorman]

Bad analogy. Anyone who thought like that would end up being sectioned.

Trans people aren’t ill. Their physical appearance is at odds with their sexuality.

There are no such people as trans people. There are some men who pretend to be women and some women who pretend to be men and some people who pretend to be Napoleon and some people who pretend to be one nation Tories.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Another bad analogy. They would end up being sectioned.

So someone can "know" with all certainty that they're the wrong gender and expect everyone else to agree but thinking they're the wrong age will get them sectioned.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Funny isn’t it, some Supreme Court rulings are gospel and should not be challenged, as they know best. But you feel this one can be challenged, why is that?

Supreme Court rulings are the definitive word in the UK. The question being asked of the UCHR is whether the application of the judgement will infringe the human rights of the applicant. The UCHR may refuse to hear it, or dismiss it. If they find in the applicant’s favour the UK is bound by its own legislation to accept the judgement and, I assume, look for ways to apply the ruling without compromising the human rights concerned.

Which could be very tricky and probably result in a fudge.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So someone can "know" with all certainty that they're the wrong gender and expect everyone else to agree but thinking they're the wrong age will get them sectioned.

Gender dysphoria isn’t something I, nor, I suspect, you, has experienced.

Those that do are given a lot of support as they come to terms with it. If they reach such a decision then it needs to be respected. Whether, or not, everyone agrees is besides the point.

None of which means that self identification is enough to justify anyone using a female facility, as the SC ruling made clear.

No amount of support and understanding could turn a young person into an old one.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Gender dysphoria isn’t something I, nor, I suspect, you, has experienced.

Those that do are given a lot of support as they come to terms with it. If they reach such a decision then it needs to be respected. Whether, or not, everyone agrees is besides the point.

None of which means that self identification is enough to justify anyone using a female facility, as the SC ruling made clear.

No amount of support and understanding could turn a young person into an old one.

It's not a question of turning anyone into anything. It's about their feelings. Age dysphoria does exist but apparently doesn't need to be respected.

 

[ASCPFC]

It's not a question of turning anyone into anything. It's about their feelings. Age dysphoria does exist but apparently doesn't need to be respected.

I feel like a beer but my missus doesn't respect that.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There are no such people as trans people. There are some men who pretend to be women and some women who pretend to be men and some people who pretend to be Napoleon and some people who pretend to be one nation

All this post suggests that there is at least one person here who pretends to know what they are talking about.

 

[georgenorman]

All this post suggests that there is at least one person here who pretends to know what they are talking about.

It's all self-evident, to pretend otherwise is merely pretence.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It's not a question of turning anyone into anything. It's about their feelings. Age dysphoria does exist but apparently doesn't need to be respected.

Age dysphoria is when an older person believes themselves to be much younger than they really are. Someone who feels emotionally trapped and unable to mature. Although not an officially recognised diagnosis I am sure those presenting with it are respected.

Your reference was about a younger person believing they are older. Which doesn’t appear to actually exist, or fit the description.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It's all self-evident, to pretend otherwise is merely pretence.

So all the doctors and other experts are just pretending?

We can discount their contributions and observations just because someone on a football web forum has an opinion they feel is self evident!

 

[georgenorman]

So all the doctors and other experts are just pretending?

We can discount their contributions and observations just because someone on a football web forum has an opinion they feel is self evident!

There are a few doctors and experts pushing the nonsense, just as there were those who thought thalidomide was a good idea. It is more than likely that the majority know it is a crock of you know what but are afraid to say so. Many, of course, are pretending - they say something they do not entirely believe in themselves because that is what the idiotic dogma of the day demands.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Age dysphoria is when an older person believes themselves to be much younger than they really are. Someone who feels emotionally trapped and unable to mature. Although not an officially recognised diagnosis I am sure those presenting with it are respected.

Your reference was about a younger person believing they are older. Which doesn’t appear to actually exist, or fit the description.

You plainly don't think it's possible for a young person to "know" what it's like to be old but it's perfectly acceptable for one gender to "know" what it's like to be another.

 

[HKOwen]

You plainly don't think it's possible for a young person to "know" what it's like to be old but it's perfectly acceptable for one gender to "know" what it's like to be another.

Reality dysphoria is when someone consistently spouts nonsense , is a know all on every topic and the tell tale symptom , TDS.

Thankfully no posters on here suffer from this terrible condition

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You plainly don't think it's possible for a young person to "know" what it's like to be old but it's perfectly acceptable for one gender to "know" what it's like to be another.

It has nothing to do with what I think about this, especially as I don’t think about it at all. It’s only to do with what you suggested. Something I then looked up. So far as I can tell age dysphoria only refers to those who feel they are trapped in their youth and unable to mature. The idea that a younger person feels they are older is not referenced anywhere. This isn’t though a recognised medical diagnosis. Unlike gender dysphoria.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There are a few doctors and experts pushing the nonsense, just as there were those who thought thalidomide was a good idea. It is more than likely that the majority know it is a crock of you know what but are afraid to say so. Many, of course, are pretending - they say something they do not entirely believe in themselves because that is what the idiotic dogma of the day demands.

What a terrible analogy!

That thalidomide was prescribed by doctors was because it had been declared safe to use. It was only later that that it became apparent that in some circumstances it wasn’t. Which resulted in great improvements to the testing regimes for new drugs.

The diagnosis of gender dysphoria has no connection to drug testing. Nor does the support and advice offered to those who need it by the experienced and trained professionals in this field.

Don’t that though stop you, who are obviously not a trained professional in anything, declaring it to be “idiotic dogma”.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It has nothing to do with what I think about this, especially as I don’t think about it at all. It’s only to do with what you suggested. Something I then looked up. So far as I can tell age dysphoria only refers to those who feel they are trapped in their youth and unable to mature. The idea that a younger person feels they are older is not referenced anywhere. This isn’t though a recognised medical diagnosis. Unlike gender dysphoria.

It is 100% to do with what you think. Being 80 is something of which you have personal experience and the question is whether anyone who hasn't can "know" what it's like.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It is 100% to do with what you think. Being 80 is something of which you have personal experience and the question is whether anyone who hasn't can "know" what it's like.

I don’t have any thoughts about it!

If others do that’s their business. All I have said is that I can’t find any evidence that anyone does so anything you have suggested is just hypothetical.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I don’t have any thoughts about it!

If others do that’s their business. All I have said is that I can’t find any evidence that anyone does so anything you have suggested is just hypothetical.

So answer hypothetically. Shouldn't be hard when it's acceptable to "know" what it's like to be a different gender.