Jessie Derry

[Elwissthebest]

One of the most prolific EPL/EFL academies, with the likes of Powell, Salako, Osborn, Southgate, Morrison, Scannell, Grabban, Routledge, Moses, Jonny Williams, Clyne, Zaha, Razak, Jerome Williams, Kwesi Appiah, Wan-Bissaka, Mitchell, Madueke, Rodney, Rak-Sakyi, Imray, Ozoh, Whitworth, and so many more coming through over the years.

Indeed, but only eight of these good enough for the Premiership? Odd to see Appiah mentioned on the same breath as Zaha. You know you've got an Academy when you can sell for £20m players who've never played for your first team. Chelsea (spot) excellent at this.

 

[Linford]

Indeed, but only eight of these good enough for the Premiership? Odd to see Appiah mentioned on the same breath as Zaha. You know you've got an Academy when you can sell for £20m players who've never played for your first team. Chelsea (spot) excellent at this.

Not saying Appiah is anywhere near Zaha, just listing (some of the) CPFC grads who have made it pro.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Yes absolutely we are entitled to be annoyed. It's still weird that people interpret the move in that way though. Both those things can be true without cancelling each other out.

In reality it speaks nothing about the player's character either negative or positive. It is what it is.

Yep, it's football forum stuff and just like shouts from a football crowd slagging off the millionaires on the pitch it's to be taken within that context.

Obviously there's a line for anything but people swear and that won't change.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Not saying Appiah is anywhere near Zaha, just listing (some of the) CPFC grads who have made it pro.

I remember the Appiah signing.

It's mind boggling just how far we have come from there.

 

[eritheagle]

His grandparents live in the flat next to mine. I see Shaun from time to time.
Grandad speaks very fondly of Jesse. He was offered a better deal at Chelsea (including training with the first team) and so left us. It happens.

Is that his paternal or maternal grandparents?
I worked with his mum, jolene's father at bexley college. He was called bob and he was an electrician there. He used to give posters from me to shaun for the players to sign.

 

[Runningman]

Is that his paternal or maternal grandparents?
I worked with his mum, jolene's father at bexley college. He was called bob and he was an electrician there. He used to give posters from me to shaun for the players to sign.

Maternal.
Bob is a good guy. Still fixing things here for us. The guy never stops working !

 

[Casual]

Love ‘this country’.
Soo many people have t seen it, very funny.

he looks like Kurtan on this country

 

[eritheagle]

Maternal.
Bob is a good guy. Still fixing things here for us. The guy never stops working !

That’s great to hear that he’s keeping well. He is a very nice man.

If you see him may you say that Michael from the college gym says ‘hi’ please.

 

[cryrst]

Love ‘this country’.
Soo many people have t seen it, very funny.

Brilliant show. The one with the vicars son fishing with kurtan 🤣🤣🤣

 

[eritheagle]

Joined Sporting Lisbon on a season long loan!!

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Joined Sporting Lisbon on a season long loan!!

And there you have it, but of course he was better off going to Chelsea because all palace do is loan the youngsters out 🤣

 

[Teddy Eagle]

And there you have it, but of course he was better off going to Chelsea because all palace do is loan the youngsters out 🤣

And we loan them out to sexy places like Wigan and West Bromwich not dumps like Lisbon.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

And we loan them out to sexy places like Wigan and West Bromwich not dumps like Lisbon.

There is that I suppose🤣

 

[TheBigToePunt]

You know you've got an Academy when you can sell for £20m players who've never played for your first team. Chelsea (spot) excellent at this.

I think that comes down to two things: Chelsea being a big dog in the unseemly local youth market, and branding.

Chelsea can (and do) cast the widest net of all the local clubs. They have the longest-established networks and have spread themselves pretty wide from two bases, one at Stamford Bridge and the other at Cobham. Any kid near me who is good has at least flashed up on the Chelsea radar, and had a short trail at one of their many satellite youth programmes,. From there the best ones get filtered upwards until they are considered for the academy proper.

On top of all that, the market in the best academy youth talent is ferociously competitive, and Chelsea are aggressive. They have the money and glamour to entice players form other clubs and, for a club that size, can actually point to a good record of giving players a pro career, even if not at Chelsea.

The second thing is tied to the first. A player at Chelsea U19s is probably considered one of the best in the age group because they have such a strong youth set up. For that reason, if a Championship club wants to borrow a young pro they will turn to Chelsea first. Hence Gallagcher, Mount, Tomori, Geuhi, Abraham etc and so on, all getting a good start and becoming a valuable, saleable asset before or without playing much for Chelsea. In fact if it wasn't for a combination of a transfer ban and Frank Lampard wanting to give youth a go, most of them would never have played for Chelsea at all but would still have been a valuable asset.

Plus, there is the presumption that a kid at a big club is the best kid around in his position. Liverpool and Arsenal have a similar thing going for them: A young player who is on the fringes for them and gets the odd cup run out is seen as high-calibre by association, whereas one who can't quite get in our team is seen as not good enough.

Look at Gannon-Doak, Reiss Nelson, Smith-Rowe etc. Latest in a long line of largely average players who cost you at least £20m because of you are buying them from, rather than how good they actually are.

Chelsea et al don't actually have to put their youth team graduates in the team in order to get money for them. That's the key part of the business model. Clubs like us do have to. Its a massive difference.

 

[doombear]

I think that comes down to two things: Chelsea being a big dog in the unseemly local youth market, and branding.

Chelsea can (and do) cast the widest net of all the local clubs. They have the longest-established networks and have spread themselves pretty wide from two bases, one at Stamford Bridge and the other at Cobham. Any kid near me who is good has at least flashed up on the Chelsea radar, and had a short trail at one of their many satellite youth programmes,. From there the best ones get filtered upwards until they are considered for the academy proper.

On top of all that, the market in the best academy youth talent is ferociously competitive, and Chelsea are aggressive. They have the money and glamour to entice players form other clubs and, for a club that size, can actually point to a good record of giving players a pro career, even if not at Chelsea.

The second thing is tied to the first. A player at Chelsea U19s is probably considered one of the best in the age group because they have such a strong youth set up. For that reason, if a Championship club wants to borrow a young pro they will turn to Chelsea first. Hence Gallagcher, Mount, Tomori, Geuhi, Abraham etc and so on, all getting a good start and becoming a valuable, saleable asset before or without playing much for Chelsea. In fact if it wasn't for a combination of a transfer ban and Frank Lampard wanting to give youth a go, most of them would never have played for Chelsea at all but would still have been a valuable asset.

Plus, there is the presumption that a kid at a big club is the best kid around in his position. Liverpool and Arsenal have a similar thing going for them: A young player who is on the fringes for them and gets the odd cup run out is seen as high-calibre by association, whereas one who can't quite get in our team is seen as not good enough.

Look at Gannon-Doak, Reiss Nelson, Smith-Rowe etc. Latest in a long line of largely average players who cost you at least £20m because of you are buying them from, rather than how good they actually are.

Chelsea et al don't actually have to put their youth team graduates in the team in order to get money for them. That's the key part of the business model. Clubs like us do have to. Its a massive difference.

A good assessment.

I know our fans are itching to see players from our Academy either making it to our 1st team squad or being sold for decent fees. However, it's going to take time for us to attract the better talent, but we at least now have the facilities and our continued presence in the PL and recent trophies will help. For the first time since our promotion we had several players loaned out to Championship clubs last season whereas previously we did well to loan players to National League, L1 or L2 clubs. We're not going to challenge the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal for the best youngsters anytime soon but we can challenge the other London clubs.

 

[PatrickA]

As an old man I can obseve that there was a time when the likes of Derry would still have been cleaning the boots of a senior player while coming through the ranks, not signing millions of pounds worth long term contracts when he's barely played a first team game or demonstrated that he can compete at the level.
Some may see this as evidence of progress in the game, but I would have to respectfully disagree.