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Israel v Iran

Ok, I can see that reasoning....I don't think this is the best way forward....but I see the reasoning.

However, Russia already have the bomb and yet you are fully fine with escalation in the Ukraine war presumably based upon the reasoning that they would never use it down to MAD and mutual destruction. But here you are arguing that Israel must go to war to stop Iran getting a nuke....because of the risk of MAD?

You think Russia wouldn't use a nuke but Iran will?

Iran doesn't even need to enrich to get nukes....the stupidity of starting a cold war against China/Russia means that there are thousands of them available anytime they want to supply. The major difficulty would be in the launch systems, but that tech could be supplied too.

At the moment....like us.....they don't have anything like the missile defence systems to combat what is being sent their way. But if the regime survives this how long do you think that'll last considering we now have a cold war?

From the west's perspective this isn't bright.....though I can see from the Israeli neo con viewpoint it's a last throw of the dice.

I think that it depends on what Saudi and Qatar think. Publicly SA will condemn, but they've been fighting Iran for a decade already. And Qatar will publicly decry, but privately won't be interested in tainting the relationships they've built up.

Egypt, Iraq and Jordan nothing, Turkey nope, Lebanon already involved and Syria not capable nor interested.

Also I don't think Russia or China would just hand over nukes to Iran simply because they're mates.
 
I think that it depends on what Saudi and Qatar think. Publicly SA will condemn, but they've been fighting Iran for a decade already. And Qatar will publicly decry, but privately won't be interested in tainting the relationships they've built up.

Egypt, Iraq and Jordan nothing, Turkey nope, Lebanon already involved and Syria not capable nor interested.

Also I don't think Russia or China would just hand over nukes to Iran simply because they're mates.

So many plates...

The middle eastern governments are all antisemitic with antisemitic populations....None of this is helpful for them and we can be pretty sure they will be condemning all this....whether that amounts to a hill of beans or not....you are probably right.

As for Russia/China and the cold war we find ourselves in....I'm not so sure not supplying Iran is in their interest....that's the point of a cold war, you do the opposite of your opponent's interest.

It's why it should have been closed down back in 22.
 
It's wonderful how peaceful the world has become so suddenly under Donald. Marvelous .

Biden kept the Ukraine war going (Trump would have ended that in 22) and Biden did nothing but support Israel's actions in Gaza.....So while I'd agree that Trump hasn't succeeded in any peace moves....I think this is a neo con problem that exists in both Democrats and Republicans.
 
Well, I presume the Iranians you know are western minded.
Two of them work in the UK Iranian related oil and gas interests. Their daughter is my daughter's uni friend. They are not particularly pro West but they are very anti the current non secular driven government.

Being " pro west " is not a requirement to be anti government, it's not a binary thing
 
So many plates...

The middle eastern governments are all antisemitic with antisemitic populations....None of this is helpful for them and we can be pretty sure they will be condemning all this....whether that amounts to a hill of beans or not....you are probably right.

As for Russia/China and the cold war we find ourselves in....I'm not so sure not supplying Iran is in their interest....that's the point of a cold war, you do the opposite of your opponent's interest.

It's why it should have been closed down back in 22.
Yup. However the opposite of Russia's interest is to defend Ukraine and put them and other former soviet states into NATO 🤔
 
Two of them work in the UK Iranian related oil and gas interests. Their daughter is my daughter's uni friend. They are not particularly pro West but they are very anti the current non secular driven government.

Being " pro west " is not a requirement to be anti government, it's not a binary thing

I think we can all agree that the Iranian regime is awful and that we'd all like a much more pro western one.

I'm just of the view that this makes that less likely.....and certainly makes us less safe here.
 
Yup. However the opposite of Russia's interest is to defend Ukraine and put them and other former soviet states into NATO 🤔

Those former soviet states were put into Nato before the war....which was all part of moving Nato east.

Regardless now that a cold war exists, Russia/China interests are in whatever causes us the most trouble and costs.

I'm just arguing that de-escalation on all these fronts is in our best interests.

Certainly in the best interests of my energy bill.
 
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I'm happy that Trump has come to a trade deal with China and seems reluctant to continue the Ukraine war.

I think he has miscalculated on Iran but hopefully I'm wrong.
 
Does the fact that Iran is a pariah state who have funded a proxy war against Israel for many years justify this action? Netanyahu is portraying it as retaliation, some as preventative and others as provocative.

From all I hear Iran remains a very long way from actually being able to build a bomb, let alone deliver or test it. This then is Israel taking the opportunity to strike them when their ability to retaliate is diminished and in the hope it may provoke regime change.

I think it’s more likely to build resentment towards both Israel and the USA ultimately making things more dangerous. Rather than encourage regime change it could improve the standing of the government, especially if they threw some tid bits out to it’s population.

Regime change is what is needed. Destroyed facilities can be rebuilt, assassinated generals replaced. So I am unsure whether this show of strength is ultimately going to produce any improvement, or whether it’s another self preservation exercise by Netanyahu. Let alone whether it is legal.

IAEA board declares Iran in breach of non-proliferation obligations

 
So they should do nothing, wait another decade to when they are really close to a bomb, and another decade of being attacked by the Iranian proxies. Maybe wait long enough that the leftist pro Palestine pricks have pressured western nations.

You know, at some point these nutters need taking on, if it doesn't happen after they've sponsored the greatest atrocity on your own nation then when? Do you seriously think they can be appeased?
Do nothing? No. But doing anything that makes things worse is hardly going to solve things.

I am asking questions, not providing answers! I am concerned that this could backfire and whether a quieter, undercover, covert approach could yield a better result. Something Mossad is very good at.
 
I read that just as you did.

They didn’t though request anyone to take military action to repair the breach.

Knowing Iran is a bad actor doesn’t mean you just punch them on the nose. That tends to make people lash out in anger. Often indiscriminately. There are more subtle ways of imposing your will.
 

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