Israel v Hamas

[DanH]

Christianity generally accepts gay people and doesn’t throw them off buildings or want to kill people because they are not Christians.
There is another religion that does think and do the above ! Evolution ppfffttt !

That still doesn’t mean we have to kill them or deliberately starve them.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Let's be honest. Why would it be unrealistic for them to want to? They are faced with a population of 2 million souls terminally trained and indoctrinated from the moment of speech to kill them at every opportunity. I can't stand this holier than thou bullshit, it's a situation we just can't comprehend.

Sir Keir can agree with the 200+ MPs and give them what they want but will it be agreeable by the Gazans? No, imvho, sadly.

The only way is for the Arab world to deal with it, but they won't, they probably are secretly happy that the Israeli Arabs are like they are.

‘Holier than thou bullshit’ = objecting to the killing and starvation of millions of civilians.

 

[cryrst]

That still doesn’t mean we have to kill them or deliberately starve them.

Do you believe Hamas are escorting the aid from the border. The UN state they are as their workers are not allowed to.
Where is all this aid is the question before the accusations it is not being given.
Also ‘we’ are not killing them or do you accept Israel as our ally.

 

[DanH]

Do you believe Hamas are escorting the aid from the border. The UN state they are as their workers are not allowed to.
Where is all this aid is the question before the accusations it is not being given.
Also ‘we’ are not killing them or do you accept Israel as our ally.

Israel being our ally is exactly the reason why this is getting so much attention. Not that the Jew Hater Accusers will ever acknowledge that.

The rest isn’t true either, by the way.

 

[DanH]

‘Holier than thou bullshit’ = objecting to the killing and starvation of millions of civilians.

Coming from the poster that’s now twice justified just wiping Palestinians out now they’ve started, conflated the Palestine flag as the same as Hamas, and tried to justify starvation of an entire population as a legitimate war tactic because there’s historical precedent (in world wars, the last of which ended 80 years ago) I wouldn’t expect much else from him.

 

[cryrst]

Israel being our ally is exactly the reason why this is getting so much attention. Not that the Jew Hater Accusers will ever acknowledge that.

The rest isn’t true either, by the way.

What that Islam hates everyone or Hamas in control.

 

[cryrst]

Israel being our ally is exactly the reason why this is getting so much attention. Not that the Jew Hater Accusers will ever acknowledge that.

The rest isn’t true either, by the way.

No it’s because they are Israel 🇮🇱

 

[Phil’s Barber]

So quick research reveals that the IDF don't escort the convoys, the UN don't allow it. Then along come the gunmen to take it and starve everyone, which is having a brilliant effect because of all the useful idiots who blame Israel.

So Wisbech, who is a self imposed expert on everything, states ‘the IDF must be escorting every convoy’ and along with other comments, doubts that the claims about Hamas intercepting and controlling the food aid are accurate or if they are, that they are historic.

Some Simple research from Spindle shows this not to be the case, so in true Wisbech style he then ignores the topic and hopes no one notices.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Christianity generally accepts gay people and doesn’t throw them off buildings or want to kill people because they are not Christians.
There is another religion that does think and do the above ! Evolution ppfffttt !

That’s religion. Not evolution.

However even religions evolve over time as new facts become impossible to deny. Christianity used to burn people at the stake. Things previously regarded as fact become morality tales. Some religions are further advanced than others because some societies are further advanced than others. The enlightenment hasn’t yet shone its light everywhere but it is now because people are moving to places where they cannot avoid the light.

 

[cryrst]

That’s religion. Not evolution.

However even religions evolve over time as new facts become impossible to deny. Christianity used to burn people at the stake. Things previously regarded as fact become morality tales. Some religions are further advanced than others because some societies are further advanced than others. The enlightenment hasn’t yet shone its light everywhere but it is now because people are moving to places where they cannot avoid the light.

Why start with an excuse!
Yes 500 years ago we were burning people but we have evolved to realise it’s wrong.
Islam is 500 years younger so maybe fingers crossed by 2500 AD it may be evolved enough to realise they are not the only religion to follow and their thoughts are somewhat out of kilter with the present day.

 

[georgenorman]

That’s religion. Not evolution.

However even religions evolve over time as new facts become impossible to deny. Christianity used to burn people at the stake. Things previously regarded as fact become morality tales. Some religions are further advanced than others because some societies are further advanced than others. The enlightenment hasn’t yet shone its light everywhere but it is now because people are moving to places where they cannot avoid the light.

They are trying their best to turn the light off - aided and abetted by the likes of you.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Why start with an excuse!
Yes 500 years ago we were burning people but we have evolved to realise it’s wrong.
Islam is 500 years younger so maybe fingers crossed by 2500 AD it may be evolved enough to realise they are not the only religion to follow and their thoughts are somewhat out of kilter with the present day.

It will be much quicker than that. The pace of change is at warp speed today compared to the Middle Ages. Still not in my life time in all probability but you can already see it happening if you have the eyes to see. The problem is that too many concentrate on the negative incidents, which still dominate the headlines, and ignore the positive which often go unnoticed. Good news not being popular.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They are trying their best to turn the light off - aided and abetted by the likes of you.

Totally untrue. I want the light of reason to shine everywhere. Hence my wish to see religious schools banned. Perhaps it might even reach you and enable you to hold out a hand of friendship to those who may believe in another religion but behave well, living responsible lives and showing tolerance and compassion.

 

[georgenorman]

It will be much quicker than that. The pace of change is at warp speed today compared to the Middle Ages. Still not in my life time in all probability but you can already see it happening if you have the eyes to see. The problem is that too many concentrate on the negative incidents, which still dominate the headlines, and ignore the positive which often go unnoticed. Good news not being popular.

“negative incidents”, like the organised mass-rape of children, numerous terrorist attacks, death threats to teachers and others, bigamy, ‘honour’ killings, genital mutilation, election fraud, benefit fraud, tax fraud and general ghettoization, you mean?

 

[DanH]

No it’s because they are Israel 🇮🇱

Just the most desperate and untenable of arguments now.

 

[georgenorman]

Totally untrue. I want the light of reason to shine everywhere. Hence my wish to see religious schools banned. Perhaps it might even reach you and enable you to hold out a hand of friendship to those who may believe in another religion but behave well, living responsible lives and showing tolerance and compassion.

The whole culture of Islam is the opposite of that.

 

[DanH]

What that Islam hates everyone or Hamas in control.

Have you met many Muslims? You lot have a very warped view of the average one.

We’ve had many Muslims plays for Palace the last few seasons. There’s loads in the premier league. Your average Muslim is far more like them than your ‘blow up the non-believer’ ones.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Have you met many Muslims? You lot have a very warped view of the average one.

We’ve had many Muslims plays for Palace the last few seasons. There’s loads in the premier league. Your average Muslim is far more like them than your ‘blow up the non-believer’ ones.

Yeah, but there is such a massive gulf between these two comparisons (In teaching and IT I worked with several in both professions).

I think everyone accepts that most Muslims aren't actually interested in killing people.

However, there are physical actions in the real world and opinions. And survey opinions are quite consistent within the wider community showing the incompatibility with western culture...adaption and integration is a minority attitude (and usually it's the talented and able, who can get on).
Islam, is far less of an integrationist culture (the Qu'ran is specific about it) than other religions.....So it's about the average, not exceptions.

The silence and protection within these communities for the rape gangs over decades speaks far louder about the passive attitudes within these communities to their host country and culture.

The progressives were a part of that and share in that responsibility.

It isn't only unacceptable but I regard this idea that Islamic communities are allowed to be very ethno-centric and self protective without criticism but when white working class communities....who in the main are those being harmed here over decades.....when they do it the left attack them as if they are Hitler reincarnated.

The double standard can't be forgotten (because it played a significant role in enabling the rape gangs, which also involved murders and arrests of fathers) nor can it be forgiven as those who are permanently scared and in a few cases dead are the only ones in a position to forgive.

 

[DanH]

Yeah, but there is such a massive gulf between these two comparisons (In teaching and IT I worked with several in both professions).

I think everyone accepts that most Muslims aren't actually interested in killing people.

However, there are physical actions in the real world and opinions. And survey opinions are quite consistent within the wider community showing the incompatibility with western culture...adaption and integration is a minority attitude (and usually it's the talented and able, who can get on).
Islam, is far less of an integrationist culture (the Qu'ran is specific about it) than other religions.....So it's about the average, not exceptions.

The silence and protection within these communities for the rape gangs over decades speaks far louder about the passive attitudes within these communities to their host country and culture.

The progressives were a part of that and share in that responsibility.

It isn't only unacceptable but I regard this idea that Islamic communities are allowed to be very ethno-centric and self protective without criticism but when white working class communities....who in the main are those being harmed here over decades.....when they do it the left attack them as if they are Hitler reincarnated.

The double standard can't be forgotten (because it played a significant role in enabling the rape gangs, which also involved murders and arrests of fathers) nor can it be forgiven as those who are permanently scared and in a few cases dead are the only ones in a position to forgive.

From my experience nearly every British Muslim I’ve ever met, worked with, went to school/uni with, played football with, have been far more like your average person my age than any sort of religious zealot. It’s why I’ve never really got the fuss as much as you lot.

 

[Stirlingsays]

From my experience nearly every British Muslim I’ve ever met, worked with, went to school/uni with, played football with, have been far more like your average person my age than any sort of religious zealot. It’s why I’ve never really got the fuss as much as you lot.

You are just ignoring a lot of the points I've made here.

Regardless, again, I'm not aware of the talk being about religious zealots, even though those people are a significant problem and comprise a large amount of security concerns and money that gets spent (far more than in the past) but it certainly wasn't what I referred to anyway.

The British Muslims you would have worked with probably aligned with you politically...even the fact that they are socially conservative still sees them voting left because they aren't Turkeys.......Regardless you were never going to be a part of their ethno-centric community anyway.

I got to know the Muslims that I was working with very well and they had careers that involved them working with whitey so obviously they wanted to get on. They were ethno-centric but I wouldn't say bad people. Regardless, we are talking about the higher end here who would be most western facing and even with them I noticed the 'cut off' point. I think you are just ignoring it because you can't face the reality that egalitarianism only works amongst the wealthy....who never go without resources and have total control over their social and work groups.