Israel v Hamas

Wisbech Eagle said:
Is there a Hamas equivalent?

I first spent time in Germany in 1959 when I mixed with the local lads, who indeed were still quite bitter. Later in life, during my business career, I spent a lot of time there and the attitudes were totally different. The transformation to a functioning, caring and open society in which I was not just welcomed but felt completely at home was a tremendous achievement.

So it can be done. It takes time and effort.
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Hamas do have a youth wing. I don't really want to see too much about them on my phone.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There is something very odd here. Sahar TV is an Iranian propaganda channel. Why would they promote this idea?

I don’t doubt for a moment that the children in Gaza are currently taught the way that Hamas wants. They are after all the government. It’s not the point I am making. The way the Israelis are behaving is reinforcing, and not challenging, these ideas. They are cementing the problems into the next generations.

If they showed them that the messages being taught to them are false then the circle gets broken. The Israelis are not being very smart!
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How are they going to do that exactly? Again it's Irsaels fault for "not being smart" but do you seriously think that they can get into the schools and set the syllabus? Remotely? And if they were adjusting the teaching of the kids you would be first to claim that it was a "Re-eduction Camp" or something.

Again, easy talk but no realistic solution.
 
silvertop said:
A sort of kindness?

Meanwhile, in other news, the latest poll has 82% of Israelis favouring a massive concentration camp of Palestinians in south Gaza. The lessons of history...
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They were asked if they want the Gazans in a "massive concentration camp" were they? A forced labour extermination camp where heads are shaved for wigs, teeth pulled for gold, jewellery taken with other belongings, men and women separated, assessed and directly murdered or used for purpose, children taken from mothers.

I mean, you made the comparison didn't you.
 
Spindle said:
They were asked if they want the Gazans in a "massive concentration camp" were they? A forced labour extermination camp where heads are shaved for wigs, teeth pulled for gold, jewellery taken with other belongings, men and women separated, assessed and directly murdered or used for purpose, children taken from mothers.

I mean, you made the comparison didn't you.
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I did and I am not the first. A lot of Jews are also raising the same uncomfortable similarities.

However, you may be correct. Probably more like Warsaw. 92,000 killed inside Warsaw. Israel are racking them up and getting closer to that target every day. Enclosure, starvation, blocking food, targeting hospitals, halting medical supplies, mass shootings, indiscriminate bombing. All utilized in Warsaw and now Gaza.

As I said, you are probably correct. They have not mass deported the survivors to the death camps. But they are genuinely considering deporting Gazans to a resource-starved containment area where they will be penned in by the IDF and only allowed to leave with the permission of Israel; and only if by way of one way ticket overseas.

That was close to one of several ideas mooted by the NAZIs at the Wannsee Conference before they settled on the Final Solution.

And like I said, an idea receiving huge support inside Israel.

Meanwhile, other than my natural sympathy for the countless Gazans who have nothing to do with Hamas let alone 7 October (especially the thousands of dead children and Christian Gazans who cannot have had anything to do with what happened) one real fear is that these acts could spell disastrous for Judaism world wide. There are over 2 billion Muslims but only 16 million Jews. They are kicking a huge hornets nest in the name of "defence" and preserving political power.

If this spills over into violence and retribution, I am hoping that we will not be looking at the pre October 7 world with issues simmering unpleasantly but contained as a golden era.
 
Spindle said:
How are they going to do that exactly? Again it's Irsaels fault for "not being smart" but do you seriously think that they can get into the schools and set the syllabus? Remotely? And if they were adjusting the teaching of the kids you would be first to claim that it was a "Re-eduction Camp" or something.

Again, easy talk but no realistic solution.
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No, they stop being so careless and accepting of the high collateral loss of life. They show restraint at all times. They allow food and medicines in.

You can win hearts and minds if you try hard enough.

In the past I have done voluntary work for Shelterbox, who provide disaster relief by way of a box containing a substantial tent, cooking and heating stove, water purification, sleeping mats and blankets, solar light etc. Sufficient for a family of six. I helped pack the boxes. Included were some children’s books and some teddies knitted by local ladies. The feedback on the teddies was amazing. When a child has lost everything something that is theirs is so important.
 
silvertop said:
I did and I am not the first. A lot of Jews are also raising the same uncomfortable similarities.

However, you may be correct. Probably more like Warsaw. 92,000 killed inside Warsaw. Israel are racking them up and getting closer to that target every day. Enclosure, starvation, blocking food, targeting hospitals, halting medical supplies, mass shootings, indiscriminate bombing. All utilized in Warsaw and now Gaza.

As I said, you are probably correct. They have not mass deported the survivors to the death camps. But they are genuinely considering deporting Gazans to a resource-starved containment area where they will be penned in by the IDF and only allowed to leave with the permission of Israel; and only if by way of one way ticket overseas.

That was close to one of several ideas mooted by the NAZIs at the Wannsee Conference before they settled on the Final Solution.

And like I said, an idea receiving huge support inside Israel.

Meanwhile, other than my natural sympathy for the countless Gazans who have nothing to do with Hamas let alone 7 October (especially the thousands of dead children and Christian Gazans who cannot have had anything to do with what happened) one real fear is that these acts could spell disastrous for Judaism world wide. There are over 2 billion Muslims but only 16 million Jews. They are kicking a huge hornets nest in the name of "defence" and preserving political power.

If this spills over into violence and retribution, I am hoping that we will not be looking at the pre October 7 world with issues simmering unpleasantly but contained as a golden era.
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www.theguardian.com

‘Humanitarian city’ would be concentration camp for Palestinians, says former Israeli PM

Ehud Olmert says forcing people into camp would be ethnic cleansing, and anger at Israel is not all down to antisemitism
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Including former Israeli PM Ehud Olmert.
 
silvertop said:
I did and I am not the first. A lot of Jews are also raising the same uncomfortable similarities.

However, you may be correct. Probably more like Warsaw. 92,000 killed inside Warsaw. Israel are racking them up and getting closer to that target every day. Enclosure, starvation, blocking food, targeting hospitals, halting medical supplies, mass shootings, indiscriminate bombing. All utilized in Warsaw and now Gaza.

As I said, you are probably correct. They have not mass deported the survivors to the death camps. But they are genuinely considering deporting Gazans to a resource-starved containment area where they will be penned in by the IDF and only allowed to leave with the permission of Israel; and only if by way of one way ticket overseas.

That was close to one of several ideas mooted by the NAZIs at the Wannsee Conference before they settled on the Final Solution.

And like I said, an idea receiving huge support inside Israel.

Meanwhile, other than my natural sympathy for the countless Gazans who have nothing to do with Hamas let alone 7 October (especially the thousands of dead children and Christian Gazans who cannot have had anything to do with what happened) one real fear is that these acts could spell disastrous for Judaism world wide. There are over 2 billion Muslims but only 16 million Jews. They are kicking a huge hornets nest in the name of "defence" and preserving political power.

If this spills over into violence and retribution, I am hoping that we will not be looking at the pre October 7 world with issues simmering unpleasantly but contained as a golden era.
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I truly think it despicable that Gaza is compared to the nazi acts on Jews in WW2. You need to take a hard look at yourself because they aren't remotely the same. I recommend a trip to Auschwitz and to the Jewish Memorial in Berlin, it might allow you to gain some perspective, you seem to be completely blinded by the Hamas propaganda machine. You are even pulling the "Eye vas onlee ohbaying ze eurders" line to exonerate the non Hamas people of Gaza. No, they were more in on it than you are willing to believe - you are so forgiving of them.

Then you cap it off with a threat to the Jew because they're outnumbered, and you can't even see the multilevel irony of you stating this. Get a grip.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
No, they stop being so careless and accepting of the high collateral loss of life. They show restraint at all times. They allow food and medicines in.

You can win hearts and minds if you try hard enough.

In the past I have done voluntary work for Shelterbox, who provide disaster relief by way of a box containing a substantial tent, cooking and heating stove, water purification, sleeping mats and blankets, solar light etc. Sufficient for a family of six. I helped pack the boxes. Included were some children’s books and some teddies knitted by local ladies. The feedback on the teddies was amazing. When a child has lost everything something that is theirs is so important.
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I have no doubts you are empathetic, but it's blinded you from reality in my view
 
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