Israel v Hamas

silvertop said:
Having 16-20% of the voters being of Arab ethnicity did not resurrect the tens of thousands of Gazans who died at the hands of the IDF.
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But isn't it odd that what you believe is a genocidal, apartheid state has a sizable Arab electorate and Arab MPs? You keep telling us that the Jews are killing all these Arabs.
 
georgenorman said:
But isn't it odd that what you believe is a genocidal, apartheid state has a sizable Arab electorate and Arab MPs? You keep telling us that the Jews are killing all these Arabs.
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No I don't and nor has anyone on this site.

The IDF are actually killing Palestinians in Gaza (not Israel) and are not denying it.

Why are you?
 
silvertop said:
No I don't and nor has anyone on this site.

The IDF are actually killing Palestinians in Gaza (not Israel) and are not denying it.

Why are you?
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But if they are genocidal, as you claim, they would be killing Arabs wherever they find them, surely. If Israel is an apartheid state, as the Left claims, then Arabs would not be able to vote and there would be no Arab MPs.
 
georgenorman said:
But if they are genocidal, as you claim, they would be killing Arabs wherever they find them, surely. If Israel is an apartheid state, as the Left claims, then Arabs would not be able to vote and there would be no Arab MPs.
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Your first argument is that Israel are killing on an industrial scale but it is fine as they are only killing in one geographic location and not another.

Before you reply with some guff that I have said that Israelis spend all day and every day murdering Arabs wherever they find them. Actually, I said no such thing, nor did anyone else on this site.

Israeli Arabs have always had the vote. However, the 2 leading candidates for PM can form a government, but neither are willing to go into coalition with the Arab parties.

So much for a free democracy. The Arabs have a minority vote; but zero effective minority power.
 
silvertop said:
Your first argument is that Israel are killing on an industrial scale but it is fine as they are only killing in one geographic location and not another.

Before you reply with some guff that I have said that Israelis spend all day and every day murdering Arabs wherever they find them. Actually, I said no such thing, nor did anyone else on this site.

Israeli Arabs have always had the vote. However, the 2 leading candidates for PM can form a government, but neither are willing to go into coalition with the Arab parties.

So much for a free democracy. The Arabs have a minority vote; but zero effective minority power.
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What an extraordinary reply - even for you.
When have I claimed that' Israel are killing on an industrial scale'?
You have repeatedly posted that Israel are carrying out a genocide.
Yes, Israeli Arabs have the vote, there are Arab MPs - yet you maintain that Israel wants to carry out a genocide on them.
As for the leading candidates not willing to go into a coalition with Arab parties, where in the world are parties obliged to go into coalition with other parties? Do you seriously believe that such an obligation should be a feature of a free democracy?
 
georgenorman said:
What an extraordinary reply - even for you.
When have I claimed that' Israel are killing on an industrial scale'?
You have repeatedly posted that Israel are carrying out a genocide.
Yes, Israeli Arabs have the vote, there are Arab MPs - yet you maintain that Israel wants to carry out a genocide on them.
As for the leading candidates not willing to go into a coalition with Arab parties, where in the world are parties obliged to go into coalition with other parties? Do you seriously believe that such an obligation should be a feature of a free democracy?
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The first part of your post I have addressed. Sadly, I think your argument that any criticism of Israel for killing in Gaza is somehow rendered invalid as they are not killing Arabs in Israel is bonkers.

On the part highlighted, you are correct. Nobody obliges them to go into coalition with the Arabs and I have not said they must. However, they could, but they won't. That is, even if it meant them forming a government and providing at least a degree of political stability. They would rather lose.
 
silvertop said:
The first part of your post I have addressed. Sadly, I think your argument that any criticism of Israel for killing in Gaza is somehow rendered invalid as they are not killing Arabs in Israel is bonkers.

On the part highlighted, you are correct. Nobody obliges them to go into coalition with the Arabs and I have not said they must. However, they could, but they won't. That is, even if it meant them forming a government and providing at least a degree of political stability. They would rather lose.
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What is bonkers is that you think a state that you say is hell-bent on genocide would give the vote and seats in its parliament to those it wants to exterminate.
 
georgenorman said:
What is bonkers is that you think a state that you say is hell-bent on genocide would give the vote and seats in its parliament to those it wants to exterminate.
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You appear to be conflating Israeli Arabs with Palestinians and Gazans.

The claim, as far as I’m aware, has never been that Israel is committing genocide against all Arabs.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You appear to be conflating Israeli Arabs with Palestinians and Gazans.

The claim, as far as I’m aware, has never been that Israel is committing genocide against all Arabs.
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Most of the Arabs living in Israel are Palestinians.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You appear to be conflating Israeli Arabs with Palestinians and Gazans.

The claim, as far as I’m aware, has never been that Israel is committing genocide against all Arabs.
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They are Arabs, they were from when they arrived. Palestine is not a nation, genetic line or religion. In fact, it originated from Philistine which means "Invader"
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You appear to be conflating Israeli Arabs with Palestinians and Gazans.

The claim, as far as I’m aware, has never been that Israel is committing genocide against all Arabs.
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You're wasting your breath

I've given up with debating with him.

He puts words in your mouth; and when he knows he's lost he tries to kill the point by limiting your post as "Wisbechian".
 
silvertop said:
You're wasting your breath

I've given up with debating with him.

He puts words in your mouth; and when he knows he's lost he tries to kill the point by limiting your post as "Wisbechian".
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Most of your points kill themselves.
 
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