Israel v Hamas

silvertop said:
Only if that person's views extend beyond criticizing Israel.

Miliband summed it up well this morning.

Criticizing all Jews for the conduct of the Israeli government is antisemitic.

However, by the same rationale, labeling someone as antisemitic only because they criticize the Israeli government is one of the recognized symptoms of brain death.
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Probably the same as calling someone "far right" for being concerned about illegal immigration.
 
McAhuna said:
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Ha, they are NOT connected.

If we prove they were, that could be an act of war.

The sensible heads in both governments know what this is. Gesture politics.

We chuck a toy, they chuck one back.

All the while, the 2 countries continue to trade as vigorously as before.

Thus, I only recently learned that the oil exploitation rights in the Falklands is 35% UK and 65% Israel.

We trade pharmaceuticals and arms and heaven knows what else with them.

A £5.9b trade balance with £1b more going their way than ours.

And our close strategic security partnership is not going to change any time soon, even if we stop buying a few boxes of dates and our consulate is closed for a bit.
 
eaglesdare said:
Probably the same as calling someone "far right" for being concerned about illegal immigration.
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"Right" is a label a lot of people who voice concerns about immigration give themselves!

You are correct. It is nonsense. That concern is across the spectrum.

But what that spectrum is has changed so much from my youth that it is difficult for me to identify.
 
silvertop said:
Ha, they are NOT connected.

If we prove they were, that could be an act of war.

The sensible heads in both governments know what this is. Gesture politics.

We chuck a toy, they chuck one back.

All the while, the 2 countries continue to trade as vigorously as before.

Thus, I only recently learned that the oil exploitation rights in the Falklands is 35% UK and 65% Israel.

We trade pharmaceuticals and arms and heaven knows what else with them.

A £5.9b trade balance with £1b more going their way than ours.

And our close strategic security partnership is not going to change any time soon, even if we stop buying a few boxes of dates and our consulate is closed for a bit.
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The 65% 35% is in relation to a specific discovery Sea Lion and not beyond
 
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silvertop said:
Ha, they are NOT connected.

If we prove they were, that could be an act of war.

The sensible heads in both governments know what this is. Gesture politics.

We chuck a toy, they chuck one back.

All the while, the 2 countries continue to trade as vigorously as before.

Thus, I only recently learned that the oil exploitation rights in the Falklands is 35% UK and 65% Israel.

We trade pharmaceuticals and arms and heaven knows what else with them.

A £5.9b trade balance with £1b more going their way than ours.

And our close strategic security partnership is not going to change any time soon, even if we stop buying a few boxes of dates and our consulate is closed for a bit.
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Not connected. But 'Israeli' tech fully integrated into UK airports with access to servers and control panels.
 
silvertop said:
"Right" is a label a lot of people who voice concerns about immigration give themselves!

You are correct. It is nonsense. That concern is across the spectrum.

But what that spectrum is has changed so much from my youth that it is difficult for me to identify.
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Too many people treat their political identity like their football team. It's not!

None of us should have tribal loyalty to career politicians governed by focus groups.
 
I would tend to suggest that British sanctions on settlers have no effect at all. Full sanctions on Israel would do nothing at all either. The Palestinians hate Britain anyway and I'm seeing some of their completely unsubstantiated claims about British collusion here. Some F35 parts come from Britain and are usually bought via other countries anyway. That's really about it.
In the 1940s/50s/60s the Israeli Defence Forces were largely equipped with modified British equipment. It's more a demonstration of how far Britain has fallen. As for Israel, they don't react well to sanctions and that will have a far wider effect on everyone than any settler sanctions will.

As for caring about Milliband and what he says - pretty much no one in Britain rates him. He should really go to the Greens. He seems to share Polanski's views whilst thinking himself a bit more elite. Which he isn't. He's just about above Lammy on the scale of evolution.
 
ASCPFC said:
I would tend to suggest that British sanctions on settlers have no effect at all. Full sanctions on Israel would do nothing at all either. The Palestinians hate Britain anyway and I'm seeing some of their completely unsubstantiated claims about British collusion here. Some F35 parts come from Britain and are usually bought via other countries anyway. That's really about it.
In the 1940s/50s/60s the Israeli Defence Forces were largely equipped with modified British equipment. It's more a demonstration of how far Britain has fallen. As for Israel, they don't react well to sanctions and that will have a far wider effect on everyone than any settler sanctions will.

As for caring about Milliband and what he says - pretty much no one in Britain rates him. He should really go to the Greens. He seems to share Polanski's views whilst thinking himself a bit more elite. Which he isn't. He's just about above Lammy on the scale of evolution.
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Never forgiven us for Balfour.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Most people are concerned about illegal immigration. I am. Very few are far right. I am not.
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Are you? What's with what you have said before then: " ... we are being expanded and enhanced. There's more to enjoy now. So enjoy it."
 
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