Israel v Hamas

Forest Hillbilly said:
Property fairs and Estate Agents in Israel now openly selling land and vacated Palestinian properties in Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem. Theft and population displacement, of those that survived, or not.
Links are difficult, but not impossible to find. There has been a concerted effort to stop these events being recorded and are not publicised in the media.

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The Sky news report does not mention Gaza.

Do you have anything to support your assertion other than hearsay?

You believing something doesn't make it true cc Wisbech, Beak, DanH, Steeleye etc etc
 
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Forest Hillbilly said:
Property fairs and Estate Agents in Israel now openly selling land and vacated Palestinian properties in Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem. Theft and population displacement, of those that survived, or not.
Links are difficult, but not impossible to find. There has been a concerted effort to stop these events being recorded and are not publicised in the media.

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I thought the IDF had destroyed it all.

Are they still starving? Never were.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
No, no - remember we have been told for years this is purely about self-defence. There was no ethnic cleansing of the land, this is just purely coincidence.

Much more important we focus on pensioners being arrested in the U.K. for holding inoffensive placards… that’s the real story of course.

Interesting how many of the free speech champions are so comfortable with it - not even a half arsed ‘two tier’ reference.

Principles are inconvenient I guess.
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Bit racist to suggest that citizens can't buy a plot in their own country
 
ASCPFC said:
He didn't say the same about Gaza though. Lebanon didn't do the October attacks. It may have sounded like an off the cuff remark but clearly the USA is warning Israel off of Lebanon. But nothing about Palestine.
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You either believe bombing residential neighbourhoods is wrong, or you think it’s a reasonable military approach.

Trump clearly views it as wrong.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Quite - it leaves just enough wiggle room for Israel to claim its legal, and little lemmings happily lap that up.

Obviously anyone with a brain, including Trump, knows exactly what Israel are doing.
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QED, you don't know exactly what Israel is doing.

I have put your name forward as the next host of The Apprentice, should be a shoe in with your business background 🤣
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
You either believe bombing residential neighbourhoods is wrong, or you think it’s a reasonable military approach.

Trump clearly views it as wrong.
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I've already stated what he said and why he said it. I'd extrapolate that he's not bothered about the same in Palestinian territory. It's nothing to do with my judgement or feelings.
I'd suspect he wants one of these resorts in Lebanon. Hardly a stretch with him.
 
ASCPFC said:
I've already stated what he said and why he said it. I'd extrapolate that he's not bothered about the same in Palestinian territory. It's nothing to do with my judgement or feelings.
I'd suspect he wants one of these resorts in Lebanon. Hardly a stretch with him.
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You’ve stated your opinion. I am stating mine.

I think it’s a moral judgement that is not specific to a location.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You either believe bombing residential neighbourhoods is wrong, or you think it’s a reasonable military approach.

Trump clearly views it as wrong.
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Even Maggie Thatcher didn't bomb Northern Ireland. Because killing civilians is wrong ?
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
Quite - it leaves just enough wiggle room for Israel to claim its legal, and little lemmings happily lap that up.

Obviously anyone with a brain, including Trump, knows exactly what Israel are doing.
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It’s happening here but without the violence. Hmg are handing over whole towns but don’t worry Palestine or whatever it’s called is more important !!!
 
If i was an American i would be cheering Trump today.
He has spunked over $100bn of taxpayers money on a war and now has to find $300bn to rebuild what he has blown up.
I assume behind the scenes he will be trying to get Israel to put their hand in their pocket but i cant see them paying anything to their arch enemy.
And regime change?
With gas hitting $4.50 a gallon last week and the upcoming elections he had no choice but to do a deal, but it looks like a s*** one to your normal Americans who probably couldn’t give a monkeys about Iran if they could even point to it on a map.
 
kevlee said:
If i was an American i would be cheering Trump today.
He has spunked over $100bn of taxpayers money on a war and now has to find $300bn to rebuild what he has blown up.
I assume behind the scenes he will be trying to get Israel to put their hand in their pocket but i cant see them paying anything to their arch enemy.
And regime change?
With gas hitting $4.50 a gallon last week and the upcoming elections he had no choice but to do a deal, but it looks like a s*** one to your normal Americans who probably couldn’t give a monkeys about Iran if they could even point to it on a map.
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USA. They will spin it. Trump's support will forgive them (looking at the alternative). They will manage the mid term hammering in the usual way. (That country is screaming out for an effective opposition.)

Iran. $billions in irreparable damage, and certainly weakened, but they now have an effective and cost effective tool in taking on the world. Given oppressive security and state control of media, little public backlash. In any event, not hard to paint this as a victory to the incumbent government who now remain stronger than ever. I can't think of a campaign expressly designed to achieve an outcome, but which achieved precisely the opposite.

Israel. A humiliating disaster, outcome-wise and politically-wise. Withdrawal of the US leaves them standing with their d1cks out and nothing to show for it. They cannot continue without US military and diplomatic support. They are bound by US terms targeted at US domestic consumption. And they have a relatively free media which means everyone in Israel knows it. Lecud knocked on the door of every US President who told them politely no. They finally found one who was willing to militarily back them, but forgot that securing this President's support has a price.
 
steeleye20 said:
Can the USA stick to this deal and control pariah state Israel which is dependant on them?

There is not a lot of hope given their record.

A worse defeat than Vietnam?

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Total bollocks.

If Iran was developing nukes, which is highly likely, then Trump has done the world a big favour. If they weren't, then they have just had their military reduced to nothing. Win, win.

Meanwhile, our c*** of a PM has damaged relations with our greatest ally because he is obsessed with garnering popularity from Muslims and surrender monkey leftists.
 
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