Eddie Moliano
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Israel v Hamas
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Wisbech Eagle
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The Old City does have lots of Muslims living and working there, often running the small shops and stalls. The Old City is a place where Jews, Christians and Muslims cohabit without issues most of the time. They work together, even if they don’t worship together. It’s actually a beacon of hope in a sea of despair. A tour guide, who was a Jew, I had there had a great relationship with the Muslim shop owners and their children. They greeted him as a real friend as we passed through. Quite a number of the Muslims are prosperous too. When I was last there we stayed outside the walls but in a Muslim area, eating in their restaurants etc.
So the Old City is very different and Y-L is being somewhat disingenuous in suggesting this is a typical attitude.
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Stirlingsays
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Even when the guy makes a positive video about harmony under safe conditions you find some criticism.
It's people like you who offer no real peace dude and you don't even see it.
My personal opinion is that Robinson is implicitly suggesting that only the one state solution works....and for Israel I actually agree with him.
That's not the same as saying that flattening Gaza is how I'd personally go about it but there you go.....As I said long ago I'd have had Egypt take it over.
How you'd get to that situation is easier said than done however so it's a lot easier to criticise than be the man in the arena who gets things done.
Wisbech Eagle
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My criticism is the misrepresentation.
Having been there myself, the last time for a week in the September before the Hamas attrocity, I can confirm that the Muslims in the Old City are largely quite prosperous and that relationships between them and the others living there are civil, for the most part. They still though exist in completely different communities.
That though, from all I have seen, is not typical of other parts of Israel. The Muslims I spoke to there were very guarded in what they said whenever anything political was raised. They weren’t prepared to express opinions to someone like me. I guess because it could be reported. There were plenty of IDF around everywhere and they were even less approachable. Obviously disciplined into not engaging with anyone not in uniform. Travelling on trains in which every carriage had a member of the IDF with a large gun is slightly unnerving. Remember this was before Oct 7!
Passing through Tel Aviv airport saw me receive the most hostile treatment from security staff I have ever encountered. It was extremely aggressive. This is not a good image.
Spindle
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lol I've just been watching this. Perhaps Steeley and Saturn should visit and see if Robinson is lying or not.
It looks as if they want to ruin the peace in the cultural melting pot.
Clearly these are not genuine interviews..........sorry, having a Steeleye/Saturn/Wisbech moment
Spindle
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Indeed. I don't take it as face value anyway, and Robinson needs to work on his style if he's going to do this. I think the Ask project on YT is a better bet but I think Wisbech considered that AI or something, and the other two just ignored it because it wasn't part of the narrative they support.
I wonder what Greta the Hamas Agent is up to now?
I wonder what Greta the Hamas Agent is up to now?
Penge Eagle
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I did think that, but I've watched it back a couple of times and it seems genuine by their body language, they are almost bewildered why TR would ask the question. I guess we'll never know for sure. What makes the video stand out is that we have become so conditioned by Western media going into Israel with an agenda of finding people to complain about the government, IDF, settlers etc it seems odd to watch the opposite. I don't remember seeing any Arabs praise Israel ever on the BBC, ITV etc. Mind you, you could find 1,000 out of the first 1,000 Arabs you speak to on a live stream laud Israel and Wisbech would still not believe it. Whether the video is real or not, the idea of an apartheid state is complete nonsense.
Wisbech Eagle
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Are you suggesting my remarks come from AI? I have twice been to Jerusalem. The first 30 years ago, the second in September 2023 when I spent a week based here, followed by a week’s cruise of the eastern Mediterranean from Haifa. The Old City was unchanged whilst the new city that surrounds it was unrecognisable. There is a very efficient tram system. We stayed within 5 mins walk of the Damascas Gate so had easy access to all the historic sites. My wife is a Christian so this was primarily for her. There is a fascinating atmosphere there so it’s well worth a visit. It isn’t though representative of the other parts of Israel that we saw.
Wisbech Eagle
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I think the video is genuine! Which might surprise you.
It’s just not representative of the total. It’s representative of shop keepers in the Old City, many of whom are Muslim and doing quite well from the tourism. Which is recovering after an initial decline. An average Muslim living in Israel wouldn’t be able to answer questions in fluent English. What surprised me when I went in 2023 was the number of Russians who were there, and I don’t suppose they have stopped going.
I am not the least surprised by the answers they gave. Whilst there we took a trip to the Dead Sea. It was run by a Jewish owned business but the mini bus driver was an Arab. Apparently this is usual because of the location and the route taken. It was super friendly in the office before boarding but as soon as we got into the occupied territories he became very emotional about the way the villages were being mistreated and made passionate pleas to his passengers to repeat his stories when they got home.
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Stirlingsays
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Staying out of the politics of it and purely on the comedy writing.....it's good, and they are quite talented performing it.
I was being sarcastic, I think they are genuine interviews