Israel v Hamas

[cryrst]

I have never read anyone even attempt to defend such barbarism. I certainly don’t. Hamas hold views at odds with anything that we regard as civilised behaviour and it must be contained, then eradicated.

That though does not mean that Israel are allowed a free pass to do whatever they like. If they claim to be part of the civilised world then they must behave as we do. Israel has used the appalling events of Oct 7 to pursue their ultimate agenda. Which is the absorption of both Gaza and the West Bank into a greater Israel. There were ways to contain Hamas without killing so many innocents. That’s why so many are angry. Not because they hate Jews, or approve of terrorism.

Muslims want Jews dead, gone off the earth. If that is a bit too much truth then stop posting.
You post stupid sometimes.

 

[georgenorman]

Muslims want Jews dead, gone off the earth. If that is a bit too much truth then stop posting.
You post stupid sometimes.

Only sometimes?

 

[Stirlingsays]

What Robinson highlights here is a real and stark problem.

Unlike our mainstream politicians he is brave enough to speak the truth on this.

Whatever someone's views are on Israel/Palestine British Jews are increasingly unsafe in Britain and it's fecking outrageous and entirely the fault of our politicians.....well and all the pro third worldest immigration NGO and funded groups....some part state funded.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Muslims want Jews dead, gone off the earth. If that is a bit too much truth then stop posting.
You post stupid sometimes.

You certainly do for that’s an awfully ignorant statement.

Some radicalised extremists might well want all Jews dead. Just as some extremist Zionists might prefer if all Muslims were dead. Neither statement is remotely true though of the totality of either. As you think I am stupid I asked the right’s favourite AI to offer their opinion, assuming you might just trust it more. This is it:-

“No, the idea that Muslims universally want all Jews dead is a gross oversimplification and inaccurate stereotype. Religious beliefs, including Islam, don’t inherently dictate such extreme positions. Islam, like any major religion, has a wide range of interpretations and practices, and views among Muslims vary greatly based on cultural, political, and personal contexts.

Some historical and ongoing geopolitical tensions, particularly in the Middle East, have fueled conflicts between certain Muslim-majority groups and Jewish populations or the state of Israel. For example, extremist groups like Hamas or Hezbollah have explicitly anti-Semitic rhetoric, rooted more in political ideology than religious doctrine. However, this doesn’t represent the views of 1.9 billion Muslims worldwide. Many Muslims coexist peacefully with Jews in various regions, from Morocco to Indonesia, and interfaith initiatives exist in places like the U.S. and Europe.

Polls, like those from Pew Research (e.g., 2011 Middle East surveys), show varied attitudes toward Jews in Muslim-majority countries, often influenced by local politics rather than religion alone. For instance, in countries like Turkey or Egypt, negative views of Jews can stem from opposition to Israeli policies rather than a blanket desire for violence. Conversely, in places like India or the U.S., Muslim and Jewish communities often share mutual respect and collaboration.

Extremist voices are loud but not representative. Painting all Muslims with a single brush ignores the diversity of thought and the complexity of human beliefs. If you’re digging into this, look at specific sources like community dialogues on X or interfaith programs for a clearer picture.”

 

[georgenorman]

You certainly do for that’s an awfully ignorant statement.

Some radicalised extremists might well want all Jews dead. Just as some extremist Zionists might prefer if all Muslims were dead. Neither statement is remotely true though of the totality of either. As you think I am stupid I asked the right’s favourite AI to offer their opinion, assuming you might just trust it more. This is it:-

“No, the idea that Muslims universally want all Jews dead is a gross oversimplification and inaccurate stereotype. Religious beliefs, including Islam, don’t inherently dictate such extreme positions. Islam, like any major religion, has a wide range of interpretations and practices, and views among Muslims vary greatly based on cultural, political, and personal contexts.

Some historical and ongoing geopolitical tensions, particularly in the Middle East, have fueled conflicts between certain Muslim-majority groups and Jewish populations or the state of Israel. For example, extremist groups like Hamas or Hezbollah have explicitly anti-Semitic rhetoric, rooted more in political ideology than religious doctrine. However, this doesn’t represent the views of 1.9 billion Muslims worldwide. Many Muslims coexist peacefully with Jews in various regions, from Morocco to Indonesia, and interfaith initiatives exist in places like the U.S. and Europe.

Polls, like those from Pew Research (e.g., 2011 Middle East surveys), show varied attitudes toward Jews in Muslim-majority countries, often influenced by local politics rather than religion alone. For instance, in countries like Turkey or Egypt, negative views of Jews can stem from opposition to Israeli policies rather than a blanket desire for violence. Conversely, in places like India or the U.S., Muslim and Jewish communities often share mutual respect and collaboration.

Extremist voices are loud but not representative. Painting all Muslims with a single brush ignores the diversity of thought and the complexity of human beliefs. If you’re digging into this, look at specific sources like community dialogues on X or interfaith programs for a clearer picture.”

This quoting of AI as if it is the sole font of wisdom is truly absurd. It's like religious fanatics quoting from their various holy books.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

This quoting of AI as if it is the sole font of wisdom is truly absurd. It's like religious fanatics quoting from their various holy books.

It's not that accurate.

Largest study of its kind shows AI assistants misrepresent news content 45% of the time – regardless of language or territory

An intensive international study was coordinated by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) and led by the BBC

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[HKOwen]

I have never read anyone even attempt to defend such barbarism. I certainly don’t. Hamas hold views at odds with anything that we regard as civilised behaviour and it must be contained, then eradicated.

That though does not mean that Israel are allowed a free pass to do whatever they like. If they claim to be part of the civilised world then they must behave as we do. Israel has used the appalling events of Oct 7 to pursue their ultimate agenda. Which is the absorption of both Gaza and the West Bank into a greater Israel. There were ways to contain Hamas without killing so many innocents. That’s why so many are angry. Not because they hate Jews, or approve of terrorism.

So now he's an urban warfare expert

 

[cryrst]

You certainly do for that’s an awfully ignorant statement.

Some radicalised extremists might well want all Jews dead. Just as some extremist Zionists might prefer if all Muslims were dead. Neither statement is remotely true though of the totality of either. As you think I am stupid I asked the right’s favourite AI to offer their opinion, assuming you might just trust it more. This is it:-

“No, the idea that Muslims universally want all Jews dead is a gross oversimplification and inaccurate stereotype. Religious beliefs, including Islam, don’t inherently dictate such extreme positions. Islam, like any major religion, has a wide range of interpretations and practices, and views among Muslims vary greatly based on cultural, political, and personal contexts.

Some historical and ongoing geopolitical tensions, particularly in the Middle East, have fueled conflicts between certain Muslim-majority groups and Jewish populations or the state of Israel. For example, extremist groups like Hamas or Hezbollah have explicitly anti-Semitic rhetoric, rooted more in political ideology than religious doctrine. However, this doesn’t represent the views of 1.9 billion Muslims worldwide. Many Muslims coexist peacefully with Jews in various regions, from Morocco to Indonesia, and interfaith initiatives exist in places like the U.S. and Europe.

Polls, like those from Pew Research (e.g., 2011 Middle East surveys), show varied attitudes toward Jews in Muslim-majority countries, often influenced by local politics rather than religion alone. For instance, in countries like Turkey or Egypt, negative views of Jews can stem from opposition to Israeli policies rather than a blanket desire for violence. Conversely, in places like India or the U.S., Muslim and Jewish communities often share mutual respect and collaboration.

Extremist voices are loud but not representative. Painting all Muslims with a single brush ignores the diversity of thought and the complexity of human beliefs. If you’re digging into this, look at specific sources like community dialogues on X or interfaith programs for a clearer picture.”

I’m doing a wissie here. I never said you were stupid. I said you post stupid sometimes. I also have never used any AI to sanction or justify what I post. I read and see. Being a humble person I also know some of my posts are incorrect and with you being captain hindsight you wouldn’t know what that’s like clearly !!!

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It's not that accurate.

Largest study of its kind shows AI assistants misrepresent news content 45% of the time – regardless of language or territory

An intensive international study was coordinated by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) and led by the BBC

www.bbc.co.uk

One has to suspect that AI will be manipulated to present a particular political slant. Everything else is.

Just another form of influence.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

At least 135 mutilated bodies of Palestinians had been held at notorious Israeli jail, say Gaza officials

Documents indicate they came from Sde Teiman, which already faces allegations of torture and unlawful deaths

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

At least 135 mutilated bodies of Palestinians had been held at notorious Israeli jail, say Gaza officials

Documents indicate they came from Sde Teiman, which already faces allegations of torture and unlawful deaths

www.theguardian.com

What is your motivation to post this stuff?

Are you a Muslim?

Why do you spend so much time attacking the enemy of our enemy?

 

[silvertop]

Muslims want Jews dead, gone off the earth. If that is a bit too much truth then stop posting.
You post stupid sometimes.

If the world's 2.17 billion Muslims wanted the world's 28 million Jews dead, they would be dead.

They want what is a holy place for them too returned to something like what is was before the War.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

If the world's 2.17 billion Muslims wanted the world's 28 million Jews dead, they would be dead.

They want what is a holy place for them too returned to something like what is was before the War.

That is rubbish and you know it.


What holy place are you referring to?

 

[silvertop]

That is rubbish and you know it.


What holy place are you referring to?

What?

Line 1: What I said is not only not "rubbish" but is an obvious statement of fact. The interesting point is what motivated you to say what you said?

Line 2: It is a trite fact I thought everyone knew. Look it up!

 

[HKOwen]

At least 135 mutilated bodies of Palestinians had been held at notorious Israeli jail, say Gaza officials

Documents indicate they came from Sde Teiman, which already faces allegations of torture and unlawful deaths

www.theguardian.com

You are the Lord Haw-Haw of Hamas

 

[HKOwen]

If the world's 2.17 billion Muslims wanted the world's 28 million Jews dead, they would be dead.

They want what is a holy place for them too returned to something like what is was before the War.

Daft

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

What?

Line 1: What I said is not only not "rubbish" but is an obvious statement of fact. The interesting point is what motivated you to say what you said?

Line 2: It is a trite fact I thought everyone knew. Look it up!

Your first argument is ridiculous. Simple numbers do not indicate power and therefore the ability to survive against a given foe.

So if your second assertion is 'trite', tell us where you mean. You are confident about it, aren't you?

 

[Penge Eagle]

If the world's 2.17 billion Muslims wanted the world's 28 million Jews dead, they would be dead.

They already tried and failed!

 

[silvertop]

They already tried and failed!

All of them?

 

[silvertop]

Daft

Why?

Remember, I was answering the comment by Cryst that ALL (his word) Muslims want all Jews killed and wiped off the face of the earth.

If ALL 2.17 billion Muslims wanted this, they would have done it. They have untold wealth and vast military power on a national level, and sheer numbers and religious fervor on an individual level. Who could have stopped them?