Islamophobia in The West

[chris123]

The Bali bombing victims would disagree, as would the Christians kidnapped, raped and murdered by African muslims whether sub Saharan or North African

Bali was very definitely Hindu last time I there.

 

[georgenorman]

Nope. And that t shirt wasn’t OK.

Having one with that slogan is far more of an incitement to violence than having one with a famous song lyric on it though.

(And of course you are)

Famous? I had never heard it or of the band. So the level of incitement is on a sliding scale depending on the fame of a song?

 

[HKOwen]

Bali was very definitely Hindu last time I there.

What is that supposed to mean?

Have you any idea what the 2002 Bali bombing was?

I do because people I knew were killed.

 

[HKOwen]

Famous? I had never heard it or of the band. So the level of incitement is on a sliding scale depending on the fame of a song?

If you don't know the song the incitement is worse

 

[DanH]

Famous? I had never heard it or of the band. So the level of incitement is on a sliding scale depending on the fame of a song?

Good work living under a rock for so many years, George 🫡

 

[georgenorman]

If you don't know the song the incitement is worse

Perhaps the last verse of Oranges and Lemons could be used.

 

[georgenorman]

Good work living under a rock for so many years, George 🫡

Is that a song title?

 

[DanH]

Is that a song title?

Have you listened to any music since Oranges and Lemons, George?

 

[georgenorman]

Have you listened to any music since Oranges and Lemons, George?

Apart from Horst Wessel Lied you mean?

 

[chris123]

What is that supposed to mean?

Have you any idea what the 2002 Bali bombing was?

I do because people I knew were killed.

Just that I've been there a few times when I was working in Jakarta

 

[HKOwen]

Just that I've been there a few times when I was working in Jakarta

I ask again, if you have never heard of the 2002 Bali bombing then I am speechless if you worked in Jakarta.

But at least it's ignorance rather than you being flippant

 

[chris123]

I ask again, if you have never heard of the 2002 Bali bombing then I am speechless if you worked in Jakarta.

But at least it's ignorance rather than you being flippant

I didn't say I hadn't heard of it, just pointing out that Ball is Hindu.

 

[HKOwen]

I didn't say I hadn't heard of it, just pointing out that Ball is Hindu.

Your point being?

You mean if the general population is not Muslim then Islamist attacks don't occur?

You might want to read back through the posts to the point where somewhere opined it was Middle Eastern muslims who were the problem and I pointed out there are many other areas where there is a problem.

7/7

 

[georgenorman]

Good work living under a rock for so many years, George 🫡

Beats living under a bridge, Dan.

 

[chris123]

Your point being?

You mean if the general population is not Muslim then Islamist attacks don't occur?

You might want to read back through the posts to the point where somewhere opined it was Middle Eastern muslims who were the problem and I pointed out there are many other areas where there is a problem.

7/7

Only point was that Ball is Hindu, nothing more.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Plus even if a phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear, it means that it cannot always be helped. So for that reason I don’t see how it can be an offence.

But i do agree with you.

The problem is with the term itself and the motivation for it.

 

[HKOwen]

Any phobia means fear of and / or aversion to. Playing with the semantics also produces " fear and loathing ".

The problem with is not the word, the problem is the actions of Islamists which lead to people fearing and loathing, notwithstanding the actions of those muslims which don't get to the terrorism level but are still unacceptable to any non muslim society

 

[DanH]

Any phobia means fear of and / or aversion to. Playing with the semantics also produces " fear and loathing ".

The problem with is not the word, the problem is the actions of Islamists which lead to people fearing and loathing, notwithstanding the actions of those muslims which don't get to the terrorism level but are still unacceptable to any non muslim society

Why do you lot not understand the actual meaning of words?

 

[DanH]

Any phobia means fear of and / or aversion to. Playing with the semantics also produces " fear and loathing ".

The problem with is not the word, the problem is the actions of Islamists which lead to people fearing and loathing, notwithstanding the actions of those muslims which don't get to the terrorism level but are still unacceptable to any non muslim society

The problem is the actions of spiders which lead to people fearing and loathing.

When will all spiders take responsibility?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The etymology is literally just ‘an irrational fear of Islam’. If you only find certain aspects of it problematic and don’t have a fear of the rest of it and it’s followers then by definition it’s literally not Islamophobic.

PV mentioning spiders and Stirling sharks is probably accidentally nailing it - fear of spiders and sharks that will kill/harm you = rational. Fear of all spiders/sharks = irrational.

If you’ve any spent any time with anyone who is an actual follower of Islam rather than someone who uses it as a shield to hide behind to justify them being a c*nt then you’ll realise they bring as much threat both physically and to your way of life than a daddy long legs or basking shark does.

You are really arguing against the term itself.
There are laws in place to protect minorities. Using the term Islamophobia in law goes against reason.

No one is interested in 'nice' Muslims. The issue is with those who use violence to push the Islamist death cult dogma. There are a significant number of them here and a significant number of silent supporters among other Muslims.
Beyond that, this is a Christian/secular country. Seeing the spread of Islam as a threat to that and the future of British culture is neither irrational, unreasonable, nor unrealistic.