Spindle
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Yup, he's a terrorist scumbag
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Yup, he's a terrorist scumbag
Forest Hillbilly
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Trump suggesting USA now winding down military action against Iran. And that Europe should guard the Strait of Hormuz.
Thanks Israel and America.
Bomb the s*** out of Iran, then leave Europe with the massive impacts of :
Increase in energy prices
Potentially having to militarily secure trade routes
Make us more susceptible to terrorist action
No doubt more migrants from devastated Iran will be heading to Europe.
Thanks Israel and America.
Bomb the s*** out of Iran, then leave Europe with the massive impacts of :
Increase in energy prices
Potentially having to militarily secure trade routes
Make us more susceptible to terrorist action
No doubt more migrants from devastated Iran will be heading to Europe.
chris123
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Clearly not thought through and omitted the rule of Rumsfeld, you can add inflation to the above.
Spindle
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Yup. He's certainly f***ed up if that's the plan.
Though I know the others liked your post based on them wanting this outcome because their TDS matters than the Iranian people. Sad ideologically driven and cruel.
Racehorse-80s
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Trumps dropped regime change and total surrender then ..
What’s Israel’s take on the situation , Are they continuing the battle or pulling back as well ?
So many on going unanswered questions , Future Expenses , Military conundrums and financial problems for Europe without any gain .
The political fallout is going to be massive .
Irans regime must be rejoicing today .
What’s Israel’s take on the situation , Are they continuing the battle or pulling back as well ?
So many on going unanswered questions , Future Expenses , Military conundrums and financial problems for Europe without any gain .
The political fallout is going to be massive .
Irans regime must be rejoicing today .
kevlee
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What a dick - based on TDS?!
As if Trump gives a monkey about Iranians.
You do realise that most people in the world, other than Israel, are against this war and what Trump has done and the financial consequences. Other than you and Hrolf!
Hrolf The Ganger
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Except those who aren't. Don't make me laugh.
The idea that people ever like war in general and that you use that as justification is plain daft.
Hrolf The Ganger
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Eh! The targets have been military. You don't get people to rise up by bombing them. Any damage to civilian areas would be unintentional collateral damage.
Anyone who wanted to escape Iran would be doing it to get away from the regime, and they could have done that from years ago.
Spindle
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Triggered.
I dunno what you are on about. I've said that the likes of you are rejoicing that Trump loses rather than the Iranian people win by removing the regime. Trump and Bibi are failing badly at that, and that is nothing to celebrate because it means everyone aside a brutal regime has lost, including you.
Had the regime capitulated I'm sure you'd have held aloft another Trump criticism though, plucked from your arsehole.
Stirlingsays
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Trump's been looking for an off ramp ever since he's realised that the regime isn't falling and not willing to negotiate.
If he takes his fleet and leaves and leaves this mess to everybody else to sort out in the strait he'll claim that his job is done and that it's a victory.
The reality is that it's a giant mess that he's directly responsible for, the repercussions of which none of us can know for sure.....but I can't think of any positive ones.
Unless that regime falls, they will be hell bent for a nuclear weapon.......the only way to stop them now would be to invade with hundreds of thousands of troops.
Either that or Israel nukes them.
Complete and utter sh1t show and god knows what the repercussions of that are.
If he takes his fleet and leaves and leaves this mess to everybody else to sort out in the strait he'll claim that his job is done and that it's a victory.
The reality is that it's a giant mess that he's directly responsible for, the repercussions of which none of us can know for sure.....but I can't think of any positive ones.
Unless that regime falls, they will be hell bent for a nuclear weapon.......the only way to stop them now would be to invade with hundreds of thousands of troops.
Either that or Israel nukes them.
Complete and utter sh1t show and god knows what the repercussions of that are.
Spindle
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Yup, it's nothing to celebrate, it's a disaster. Should've been a big invasion or smashing up of everything nuclear related at best. Unfortunately probably the former because I think it's a matter of time before they get their hands on a nuke and threaten everyone else with it, which will be far far more costly than a blip in the markets.
kevlee
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This is my main gripe.
Trump’s apparent concern for the poor down trodden Iranians as a a reason for this war is nauseating. He hates Muslims! We all know what happens when the west try and impose western democracy on hardline Muslim states. It descends into fundamental tribal anarchy.
This may sound harsh but I have no interest in internal Iranian politics and if they murder protesters then it is very sad, but not our problem. The region would arguably be far more stable if the west hadn’t taken out Saddam and Gadaffi.
What has actually been achieved by the last 3 weeks? Nothing.
Racehorse-80s
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Trumps ramped up the rhetoric again this morning by giving Iran a 48hr ultimatum to reopen the Strait of Hormuz or face having their power plants obliterated ..
Thought Trump was leaving that task to the UK and the other NATO country’s to solve .
Looks like this is going to end in a protracted ground war at some stage .
I suspect US have changed tack after realising US military withdrawal without regime change would be seen as failure to achieve victory over Iran and even defeat .
Whatever the cause it means more economic turmoil for the West .
UK now has a massive target on its back thanks to Trump .
Thought Trump was leaving that task to the UK and the other NATO country’s to solve .
Looks like this is going to end in a protracted ground war at some stage .
I suspect US have changed tack after realising US military withdrawal without regime change would be seen as failure to achieve victory over Iran and even defeat .
Whatever the cause it means more economic turmoil for the West .
UK now has a massive target on its back thanks to Trump .
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chris123
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Where's Hans Blix when he's needed.
kevlee
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As I recall we were told that Saddam had been developing and stockpiled weapons of mass destruction including biological with an advanced nuclear weapons program, all of which posed a global threat. All ancient history now.
So 2 days to possible massive escalation. I hope Iran capitulates and agrees to no more strikes on ships, but the initial response from Iran is fighting talk.
If Iran does comply then that would allow to Trump declaring victory and possibly a ceasefire. Not sure how Israel would react to that as I can’t see much has changed in their battle with Hezbollah. The interests of US and Israel are no longer aligned.
Spindle
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Well regardless of the lies for Iraq, there's a difference in that we know that Iran have an advance ballistics programme, we know they extend threats abroad especially the USA and Israel, and the West generally and we know that they are enriching uranium beyond the 5,% needed for nuclear power.
That's why it's different. The attack for regime change hasn't worked, they either abort or go in on the ground.
Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the face.
elgin eeagle
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Interesting developments. I doubt Iran will ever respond to Trumps threats as he wants them to. Theres really no winners if both sides continue to just smash stuff up. It'll just result in higher and higher prices for everything. Quite pleased I'm back from Cyprus now. As you say every western asset within a 4000km range and possibly even more is now a legitimate target for the Iranians. The regime change attempt has failed, and if anything seems to have galvanised the long-sanctioned Iranian people, rather than dividing them. Who knew eh.
Racehorse-80s
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I would say Trump is doing anything but storming off like he promised on Thursday , Quite the opposite given the latest ultimatum , If Iran dosent backdown in the next 40 hrs the situation is going to get a whole lot worse ..
I imagine Israel are loading the bombs and priming their ballistic big baby’s as I type , This is the moment Israel’s leader has been praying over for decades .