Iran

Hrolf The Ganger said:
You want to pontificate about treaties or deal with what is happening in the real world?

Also stop thinking and speaking for other people. You don't know what I think beyond a few short sentences on here, and you don't know me.
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Treaties are the real world.

What a weird second sentence. You are heavily pushing for UK intervention at the behest of Israel and the US and that is what I was commenting on, which is the topic of discussion. Do you want people to read and respond to your posts on the topic or not?
It's not like I was commenting on your religious beliefs or marital status, so wind your neck in.
 
Racehorse-80s said:
I agree with the sentiment and hate that a single European should die in battle in Iran , The alternative is US and Isreal retreat and Bomb the crap out of Iran’s nuclear program every couple of years , Which is likely the best answer , My main point was Trump will struggle to achieve total surrender and regime change without a ground invasion and NATO forces .
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Yep, he's an old fool for rejecting good advice and instead succumbing to pressure and becoming the neo con he use to rage about......I have no doubt that 'certain' voices said they would put their money into the Democrats if he wouldn't do their bidding...or god knows what they told him.

He put himself in that situation.
 
Racehorse-80s said:
I think we all agree Iran needs regime change , It’s about how you break the incumbent c*nts iron rule over its people .
Trumps army falls short IMO , It’s going to take a multinational ground force organised by NATO to fully achieve Trumps goal .
Trump needs to start grovelling to Europe quickly .
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Do we all agree on that?
I have no doubt that Iran is an unpleasant regime, but then so are most in the Middle East, including some of our allies.
I generally oppose regime change and would rather we prioritised our own domestic affairs and got our own houses in order.
We are run by a mysterious and nefarious Cabal of malevolent deviants. It's extraordinary how willing some are to brush that under the carpet, and how easily and willingly we allow ourselves to be manipulated and distracted.
 
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georgenorman said:
Where are the posts from the Left complaining about the genocide being carried out by the Islamic Fascists in Iran?
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of international law” with their attacks on Iran.

In her strongest criticism of the conflict yet, the Italian prime minister also demanded that Washington find out who was responsible for the missile strike on Shajareh Tayyebeh girls’ school.

Ms Meloni labelled the attack in Minab, southern Iran, on Feb 28 a “massacre”. It killed more than 160 people, most of them children.

Her comments may upset Donald Trump, who can be sensitive to criticism from world leaders he considers allies. He and Ms Meloni have long appeared to have a close friendship.

Well, it is the right wing arguing with Trump and calling it an illegal war, the left are just sitting back and enjoying the fun and Trump and the right (Meloni) fall out big time. We have never had it so good (Harold McMillan). 😆 😆 😆
 
McAhuna said:
Treaties are the real world.

What a weird second sentence. You are heavily pushing for UK intervention at the behest of Israel and the US and that is what I was commenting on, which is the topic of discussion. Do you want people to read and respond to your posts on the topic or not?
It's not like I was commenting on your religious beliefs or marital status, so wind your neck in.
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It's not about Israel for me. We just share a common enemy.

I'm not going to keep repeating myself on this. I stand with our allies against our enemies. Is that too old fashioned for you?

As far as necks go. I suspect yours is like a pencil.
 
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Hrolf The Ganger said:
I'm not going to keep repeating myself on this. I stand with our allies against our enemies. Is that too old fashioned for you?
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This really shouldn't be hard for anyone with a double digit IQ.

Our military obligations are to our NATO allies - including Turkey and others, who happen to be at loggerheads with Israel.
And also to Hungary, Slovakia who are at loggerheads with another Non-NATO country - Ukraine.
Where is our loyalty to Turkey, Hungary and Slovakia?
Are treaty obligations too old-fashioned for you?

Israel is not our formal ally.
It actively promotes Islamic immigration into the UK. It supplied arms to our enemy in the Falklands War leading to the deaths of British Service Personnel.
Israel only cares about furthering the interests of Israel. It works towards our destruction.
When will the penny drop?
 
beak said:
of international law” with their attacks on Iran.

In her strongest criticism of the conflict yet, the Italian prime minister also demanded that Washington find out who was responsible for the missile strike on Shajareh Tayyebeh girls’ school.

Ms Meloni labelled the attack in Minab, southern Iran, on Feb 28 a “massacre”. It killed more than 160 people, most of them children.

Her comments may upset Donald Trump, who can be sensitive to criticism from world leaders he considers allies. He and Ms Meloni have long appeared to have a close friendship.

Well, it is the right wing arguing with Trump and calling it an illegal war, the left are just sitting back and enjoying the fun and Trump and the right (Meloni) fall out big time. We have never had it so good (Harold McMillan). 😆 😆 😆
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Why have you quoted my post in this way? My post was about the slaughter of protestors by the Islamic Fascists which the Left hardly said a word about.
 
georgenorman said:
Why have you quoted my post in this way? My post was about the slaughter of protestors by the Islamic Fascists which the Left hardly said a word about.
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I thought i was very plain,this war was always going to end in farce and lots of egg on Trump's face,the geography of Iran and its extensive coastline are major problems, Israel told Trump that they would hit Iran and thinking of his campaign funds he said don't worry we will give 'em a smack as our military is big and beautiful, your first line in your post wanted to know what the left has to say the heading was Iran and in all honesty Trump is so much fun, i'm deep down hoping Reform get elected and we can watch everything go to pot.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
British troops were never going to be sacrificed.

You do have to ask yourself what the point of being in NATO is if you won't commit to assist your allies.
Our military are not conscripts. They sign up knowing that they might be involved in conflict. If they want to be a mechanic, or be a sailor, they should work for the AA or on a cruise ship.

And don't for gawd sake think that Starmer is doing this for any other reason than to keep his job. He is slime.
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NATO exists as a wholly defensive body.

The current war is a US backed Israeli attack in operation. Nothing to do with us and prosecuted with zero consultation with US allies.

They cannot then seek to compel their allies to fix what they have broken.

In practical terms the US have an enormous navy and could police the strait if they wanted many times over. They have some nerve seeking to press hang the rest of the world in order to subsidise the cost of remedying their mess.

Finally you may hate Starmer but I fail to see what he has done wrong. In fact I would struggle to find any genuine patriot who would not tell the president who openly stated we were useless in Afghanistan Iraq and elsewhere to do one.
 
It's just the dumbest conflict the USA and Israel have started. Starmer keeping the UK military out of it, is the smartest thing to do in this situation. Although Starmer's reasoning is probably different to my own
 
McAhuna said:
This really shouldn't be hard for anyone with a double digit IQ.

Our military obligations are to our NATO allies - including Turkey and others, who happen to be at loggerheads with Israel.
And also to Hungary, Slovakia who are at loggerheads with another Non-NATO country - Ukraine.
Where is our loyalty to Turkey, Hungary and Slovakia?
Are treaty obligations too old-fashioned for you?

Israel is not our formal ally.
It actively promotes Islamic immigration into the UK. It supplied arms to our enemy in the Falklands War leading to the deaths of British Service Personnel.
Israel only cares about furthering the interests of Israel. It works towards our destruction.
When will the penny drop?
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It's a complicated world, oh yes, but guess what. When it all kicks off, you better be on the side of the guy with the biggest guns.
I don't give a rats arse about any country except the one I live in and the one who makes it safe.
I don't give a toss about who signed what treaty because when it comes to it, none of that means s***.

You are someone who believes in fantasy and yet starts quoting details when you want to look clever.
You aren't clever enough if you think what Starmer is doing is wise or for anyone else except Starmer.

Life is primarily about survival and you better know which dog to back in the fight. In this fight there is only one side who will win. Luckily for us, their enemy is our enemy. Well unless you are a Green or Corbynista that is. There will always be some surrender monkeys.
 
silvertop said:
NATO exists as a wholly defensive body.

The current war is a US backed Israeli attack in operation. Nothing to do with us and prosecuted with zero consultation with US allies.

They cannot then seek to compel their allies to fix what they have broken.

In practical terms the US have an enormous navy and could police the strait if they wanted many times over. They have some nerve seeking to press hang the rest of the world in order to subsidise the cost of remedying their mess.

Finally you may hate Starmer but I fail to see what he has done wrong. In fact I would struggle to find any genuine patriot who would not tell the president who openly stated we were useless in Afghanistan Iraq and elsewhere to do one.
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When you take a side, I'm always glad I'm on the other one.
 
cryrst said:
If Islam hadn’t taken over and ousted Christianity Lebanon would be ok.
So would Iran
See the common denominator there !
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And in Iraq the Christians were protected by Saddam Until Blair and Bush f***ed up the country!
Since he was ousted they have been murdered continuously by the Muslim militia.
Why does the west keep trying to impose western style democracy on these places? I know it sounds harsh, but I really don’t care about Iranians in Iran and that’s why it annoys me when I see Trump supporters going on about the poor downtrodden Iranians. It’s bullshit, because they couldn’t give a monkeys about them either.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Which part of it is 'a feck up'?
It's hard to respond to such mindless nonsense.

You and the usual suspects don't seem to understand simple truths. Europe's military is underfunded and uncoordinated. Without the USA, we could not defend ourselves in an all out war with one of our enemies. Some of the left wing run countries in Europe, including us, decided to snub our greatest and very necessary ally because of domestic popularity and because Trump. Incredibly stupid.

The other issue for Britain is that in terms of an attacking force, we have nothing to offer in assisting the US. They don't need us. Now Trump is offering us a way to do something that allows Starmer to claim he was not an aggressor and yet perform a function that we might just about be capable of. It would be an international effort to keep the old oil flowing which would be good for all of us in Europe.

This war has only been going on for a couple of weeks and idiots are talking like it's Vietnam. The biggest enemy of Western values is being destroyed and you are complaining. No doubt you would prefer if they got nukes and Islamists ruled the world. You think that just because someone comes out and talks a lot of tough words about resistance that the war is failing?
Do you think anyone is going to admit that they're getting absolutely battered? Once again you would rather side with the enemy and believe their bullshit.
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This lot think that HMS Dragon is too much at 48 Aster 30's on £1m each. No reloads.
 
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