Immigration

[Mattconrov]

Of course xenophobia and racism doesn’t just work one way - no one is suggesting it does.

It’s on its way back because the wider public are being encouraged by the political discourse coming from Reform (and depressingly the Tories) who want everyone to believe that all of their woes are down to immigration, rather than systematic government failures over the last few decades which have kept people in poverty and wages stagnating. It’s far easier for political parties to point their fingers at inmigrants because a) it’s a convenient smoke shield for their abject failure (Tories) or because they ‘want their country back (read: want fewer non-white people - Reform).

The YouGov research you have just posted shows firstly, how ill informed people are about legal and illegal migration, and then secondly, how public opinion varies wildly between the two.
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It’s an inconvenient truth for Reform for the wider public to know the real facts and figures.

You make some good points about how immigration is used as a smokescreen to divert people away from other issues at hand. Also a good point you made is how the media play on people's fears.

However reading through some of your posts, you seem to assume that some people don't like immigration because of the colour of their skin. This presupposes people who vote Reform, want less brown people; as you allude to this in your post.

Many black people are vocal of their support for Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage. I know them personally. One is in fact my Ghanaian wife who voted reform and encouraged me to do the same at the last election.
It's actually quite rascist in a way to think that some black people would not vote for Reform or support Tommy Robinson.
They have the ability as white people to weigh up all the facts and come to a decision.
People of all colours can see what is happening to the country and the wider world. You seem to be one if the few making it about colour. That is a major diversion from the true issues.

I think you mentioned in an earlier post that the media stir up trouble and that the reality is places like Croydon are OK and people's lives haven't changed too much.

I'd agree that trouble is probably overblown in Croydon and I never have any major problems there.

The problems that do happen are not down to white people saying nasty things to black people. I know that much.


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[Rudi Hedman]

Yes, and just had a major refurb to keep up with the new demographics.

All of them are within a 10 minute walk of East Croydon station - I think we can reasonably describe them as in East Croydon.

Who sort of demographic do you imagine is frequenting a board game cafe..?

I don't agree it's a lot worse - I think it's much the same as it always has been. That Facebook has convinced you it's not does not make that true.

I hope The Dog and Bull hasn’t lost its character to cater for the new demographics.

They aren’t East Croydon. Once you go past Wendy’s and cross Wellesley Road you’re no longer in East Croydon area. You’re in Croydon centre. The Store isn’t even Croydon. It’s opposite the old Blue Anchor and that’s South Croydon.

Demographic in the board game cafe? Postgraduate Vegan liberals voting Labour or Green. Palestinian flag on a lapel, maybe identify as a man, maybe the opposite of their true gender, probably don’t identify as British if they are. Probably don’t like many English men who they’ll be living nearby once they move out to somewhere nicer when they maybe start a family because they’ll then realise they don’t like it anymore (what they currently agree with over a vegan dinner party)

I think Somalian gangs hiding drugs and knives under fruit and veg and being the only white person and maybe only non Muslim might make it worse. And it’s filthy. Get on a train at Wallington for Palace and lots of Palace fans. Waddon and maybe one. West Croydon and zero. Used to be a lot. Didn’t used to be a no go hole it is now.

 

[Stirlingsays]

It’s becoming increasingly clear that for some posters on here even seeing a black person makes them feel unsafe.

Yeah, so terrifying going to Selhurst.

Sometimes I wonder if you think before you post.

 

[eaglesdare]

This is how the whole damn thing was sold to us.

It's destroyed us and ruined the country.

Yet you still believe this crap?

I've heard this 'lovely couple' crap all my life....It gets me beyond angry. It's been the excuse to feck us and now two generations later we have riots and it'll only get worse.

Of fecking course there are lovely people all over the world! Does that mean we give the country away to immigration?....I mean is being nice all that matters?...Were all those who died for us going over the top in WW1 'nice'? Was that important?.....I mean does this country belong to us or not? We have nowhere else to go......You can't have an immigration policy based on 'lovely people', it doesn't work. Now you get crowds of Muslims under Nelson's column whenever Khan wants to rub our noses in it and we've had them hanging out around Christian churches.

Assimilation once a community is formed never gets beyond 1 in 3.

I do agree with you. But also disagree. Which is very rare sterling! I myself have been an immigrant many times. I have always worked and paid my taxes.

I think that's the least we can expect from immigrants coming over.

I am also by no means a fan of being ethnically replaced over the long term. Which is what it's looking like at the moment.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I hope The Dog and Bull hasn’t lost its character to cater for the new demographics.

They aren’t East Croydon. Once you go past Wendy’s and cross Wellesley Road you’re no longer in East Croydon area. You’re in Croydon centre. The Store isn’t even Croydon. It’s opposite the old Blue Anchor and that’s South Croydon.

Demographic in the board game cafe? Postgraduate Vegsn liberals voting Labour or Green. Palestinian flag on a lapel, maybe identify as a man, maybe the opposite of their true gender, probably don’t identify as British if they are. Probably don’t like many English men who they’ll be living nearby once they move out to somewhere nicer when they maybe start a family because they’ll then realise they don’t like it (what they agree with over a vegan dinner party)

I think Somalian gangs hiding drugs and knives under fruit and veg and being the only white person and maybe only non Muslim might make it worse. And it’s filthy. Get on a train at Wallington for Palace and lots of Palace fans. Waddon and maybe one. West Croydon and zero. Used to be a lot. Didn’t used to be a no go hole it is now.

So for it to be in East Croydon it has to be within 3 minutes of the station? 🤣

Facebook has clearly shown you a video of someone 'hiding drugs and knives under fruit and veg' that you keep referencing it - I promise you can go to West Croydon and no one is going to flip the plantain and pull a knife on you.

You seem to have been utterly consumed by social media algorithms.

 

[Stirlingsays]

It's bordering on insanity that you think black people in Bromley/Croydon are assessing how many other black people there are around before deciding if they are confident enough to make white people feel unwelcome - this is a complete projection of your own insecurity.

Well, I grew up in Stockwell in the 80s being a teenager, we were a white family in Stockwell Park Estate and thus very much a minority in an extremely diverse place for the era.

I nearly lost my life at 17 in a racist attack where a gang or posse attacked me, while on my own, both my mum was mugged and sister. We had sh1t put through our letterbox.

My old man moved us out....It was dangerous.....day to day perfectly fine but over time a dangerous environment compared to non diverse areas. To suggest that this wasn't is not reality.

You know what mate, I don't care whether 'black' people or any other ethnicity are waiting around enough to make white people feel unwelcome. Unless you're a certain type then whites are definitely going to leave once an area becomes diverse.....it's not just whites either the effect is the same for all ethnicities when you look into the research. The most common reality is that birds of a feather always look to flock together.

You're attitude is a minority one.....those that can afford it bugger off.

 

[Mattconrov]

I'm on Holiday with my family and in laws in Ghana at the moment.
I spoke to my brother in law about any problems with immigration here.

He said they have a lot of problems with Nigerians. So it's happening everywhere. Making it about colour is a red herring that ideologal do gooders use to make themselves feel righteous.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You're seeing in this thread why this country killed itself.

If the English/British of a hundred years ago could read this stuff......All those who went over the top at the Somme and everywhere else did it for fecking nothing.

Sold by the pound.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Well, I grew up in Stockwell in the 80s being a teenager, we were a white family in Stockwell Park Estate and thus very much a minority in an extremely diverse place for the era.

I nearly lost my life at 17 in a racist attack where a gang or posse attacked me, while on my own, both my mum was mugged and sister. We had sh1t put through our letterbox.

My old man moved us out....It was dangerous.

You know what mate, I don't care whether 'black' people or any other ethnicity are waiting around enough to make white people feel unwelcome. Unless you're a certain type then whites are definitely going to leave once an area becomes diverse.....it's not just whites either the effect is the same for all ethnicities when you look into the research. The most common reality is that birds of a feather always look to flock together.

You're attitude is a minority one.....those that can afford it bugger off.

Sorry to hear you had such an experience.

I'm not sure I've expressed an attitude beyond disagreeing with notions that Croydon is some sort of no-go zone and that black people don't sit around deciding whether to make white people uncomfortable or not.

In terms of your wider post, there are loads of neighbourhoods in London which were historically poor and pre-dominantly non-white, which are now gentrified and seem to have much bigger white populations; see Hackney, Peckham, Brixton, South Norwood, Canning Town, Deptford, Lewisham, Woolwich and many, many others - I don't have any data I can point to, but surely these huge gentrifications are contradictory to the notion that all the white people f*** off out of London.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

So for it to be in East Croydon it has to be within 3 minutes of the station? 🤣

Facebook has clearly shown you a video of someone 'hiding drugs and knives under fruit and veg' that you keep referencing it - I promise you can go to West Croydon and no one is going to flip the plantain and pull a knife on you.

You seem to have been utterly consumed by social media algorithms.

Come on, I have never heard anyone describe Surrey Street, South End or South Croydon as East Croydon. Never! Where does West Croydon end then? Allders lol

I haven’t seen it on social media. Are you saying there aren’t gangs standing in groups in Croydon?

You’ve forgotten the girl killed on the bus. I was in Croydon a couple of months ago. Large area near Crown Hill cordoned off. Why? Another stabbing.

 

[Eagleman13]

I hope The Dog and Bull hasn’t lost its character to cater for the new demographics.

They aren’t East Croydon. Once you go past Wendy’s and cross Wellesley Road you’re no longer in East Croydon area. You’re in Croydon centre. The Store isn’t even Croydon. It’s opposite the old Blue Anchor and that’s South Croydon.

Demographic in the board game cafe? Postgraduate Vegan liberals voting Labour or Green. Palestinian flag on a lapel, maybe identify as a man, maybe the opposite of their true gender, probably don’t identify as British if they are. Probably don’t like many English men who they’ll be living nearby once they move out to somewhere nicer when they maybe start a family because they’ll then realise they don’t like it anymore (what they currently agree with over a vegan dinner party)

I think Somalian gangs hiding drugs and knives under fruit and veg and being the only white person and maybe only non Muslim might make it worse. And it’s filthy. Get on a train at Wallington for Palace and lots of Palace fans. Waddon and maybe one. West Croydon and zero. Used to be a lot. Didn’t used to be a no go hole it is now.

I see that 'The Tree House' Junc of South End & Southbridge Rd is to become a 'Worship Centre' application was made 9/7/25 Source: South Croydon Neighbourhood. just what Croydon needs really. wasn't 'Scamps' upstairs back in the 70's?

 

[ASCPFC]

It’s literally not - it’s an extremely thorough piece of research and analysis of data and I thoroughly recommend everyone on here reads it right through to the end.

It also explains why Farage et al NEED to play up illegal migration and small boats and try and make it seem like a bigger proportion of immigration because they KNOW the wider population’s attitude changes significantly when comparing legal and illegal immigration. They’re not idiots - they know exactly what they are doing.

So it gives an opinion then. That is not the job of YouGov. They know what they're doing alright.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Come on, I have never heard anyone describe Surrey Street, South End or South Croydon as East Croydon. Never! Where does West Croydon end then? Allders lol

I haven’t seen it on social media. Are you saying there aren’t gangs standing in groups in Croydon?

You’ve forgotten the girl killed on the bus. I was in Croydon a couple of months ago. Large area near Crown Hill cordoned off. Why? Another stabbing.

I don't think it's a science, but I don't think describing a pub on Surrey Street as 'in East Croydon' is worth disagreeing with - it's just nit picking.

Oh, you were in Croydon once a couple of months ago... I'm here every day. I don't at all recognise your descriptions of the place.

 

[Mattconrov]

Well, I grew up in Stockwell in the 80s being a teenager, we were a white family in Stockwell Park Estate and thus very much a minority in an extremely diverse place for the era.

I nearly lost my life at 17 in a racist attack where a gang or posse attacked me, while on my own, both my mum was mugged and sister. We had sh1t put through our letterbox.

My old man moved us out....It was dangerous.....day to day perfectly fine but over time a dangerous environment compared to non diverse areas. To suggest that this wasn't is not reality.

You know what mate, I don't care whether 'black' people or any other ethnicity are waiting around enough to make white people feel unwelcome. Unless you're a certain type then whites are definitely going to leave once an area becomes diverse.....it's not just whites either the effect is the same for all ethnicities when you look into the research. The most common reality is that birds of a feather always look to flock together.

You're attitude is a minority one.....those that can afford it bugger off.

There is a private estate in Croydon that I know. I would hazard a guess that 90 percent of the inhabitants are of asian/Indian decent.
This is no accident. They have chosen to live with their "own people ".
When English people want the same they are called racist.
Personally I only want neighbours that don't bother me. Being bothered about the look of someone is childlike to me.

However it's obvious that many people of all races are bothered about it and want a connection with there "own people "

It would appear that there is one rule for one and another for those who have come to this country. Those are the reasons for riots and race wars. Unwittingly purportrated by Liberal do gooders.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Sorry to hear you had such an experience.

I'm not sure I've expressed an attitude beyond disagreeing with notions that Croydon is some sort of no-go zone and that black people don't sit around deciding whether to make white people uncomfortable or not.

In terms of your wider post, there are loads of neighbourhoods in London which were historically poor and pre-dominantly non-white, which are now gentrified and seem to have much bigger white populations; see Hackney, Peckham, Brixton, South Norwood, Canning Town, Deptford, Lewisham, Woolwich and many, many others - I don't have any data I can point to, but surely these huge gentrifications are contradictory to the notion that all the white people f*** off out of London.

'Sorry to hear you had such an experience'....Oh well thank you very much, that's alright then.

Look I think you're a good poster but for feck's sake man! Don't you have eyes?

I have looked into the data, even though it's hardly needed.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Sorry to hear you had such an experience.

I'm not sure I've expressed an attitude beyond disagreeing with notions that Croydon is some sort of no-go zone and that black people don't sit around deciding whether to make white people uncomfortable or not.

In terms of your wider post, there are loads of neighbourhoods in London which were historically poor and pre-dominantly non-white, which are now gentrified and seem to have much bigger white populations; see Hackney, Peckham, Brixton, South Norwood, Canning Town, Deptford, Lewisham, Woolwich and many, many others - I don't have any data I can point to, but surely these huge gentrifications are contradictory to the notion that all the white people f*** off out of London.

Above a certain age you’ll likely strike a chord. Below a certain age less likely unfortunately. I was talking lads standing in groups, especially in corners, sometimes in masks. Avoid eye contact. I’ve spoken to very young adult men who feel uncomfortable in Croydon. Much more uncomfortable than me. Attempts to usher them somewhere, ask them the time to see their watch or phone etc.

 

[DanH]

Yeah, so terrifying going to Selhurst.

Sometimes I wonder if you think before you post.

Oh come on, I’ve even said I posted that one as a ruse yet you’ve still nestled yourself nicely in there next to the others.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I see that 'The Tree House' Junc of South End & Southbridge Rd is to become a 'Worship Centre' application was made 9/7/25 Source: South Croydon Neighbourhood. just what Croydon needs really. wasn't 'Scamps' upstairs back in the 70's?

Not surprised. When the Poles have all moved out what was once The Swan and Sugar Loaf or Red Deer will become a Mosque. One is a Polish supermarket, the other is Tesco, I think. Can’t remember.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Oh come on, I’ve even said I posted that one as a ruse yet you’ve still nestled yourself nicely in there next to the others.

Fair enough.

Missed that.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

'Sorry to hear you had such an experience'....Oh well thank you very much, that's alright then.

Look I think you're a good poster but for feck's sake man! Don't you have eyes?

I have looked into the data, even though it's hardly needed.

It's just basic manners to acknowledge someone mentioning a threat to their life, but ok, we can bypass manners if you want.

Yes, I have eyes - all of the posts I've made on this thread are based on observations made with said eyes, which is more than can be said to most people telling me what London is 'really' like because of a Facebook algorithm.

I haven't even expressed a view on immigration - I've just nonsensed the laughable idea that Croydon is some ungodly hole where white people aren't welcome.