Immigration

[Spindle]

The biggest plus is the removal of a huge layer of government from our lives.

Except that hasn't happened. You've ADDED layers of bureaucracy and tariff by making us a third country. You were told this but scoffed it saying stupid things like "they need us more than we need them".

As for the huge layer, in terms of people the EU has fewer employees than Birmingham city council, but I would like to hear JUST ONE example of the layer that you refer to. Just one, thanks.

 

[Spindle]

That would be illegal immigrant who was allowed to work as Uber driver pending asylum claim, reap what you sow

Thanks you answered my post I deleted because his name is out there.

Yes, Uber drivers who are rejects of s*** hole countries. Brilliant.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

This is the attitude of our so called patriots, they couldn't give a s*** about their fellow citizens, meanwhile the megarich benefitters of brexshit can go wherever they like still.

That is why they can be called flagshaggers.

It's hardly the countries fault that you didn't advise everyone of your retirement plans ahead of the vote. Had you done so the result would surely have been different. After all the fact you now have to fill in some extra paperwork is such a nightmarishly cataclysmic prospect only the most dedicated and flinty hearted Union Jack off merchant could fail to be moved to tears at your plight.

 

[Spindle]

In that case it would be cheaper for the taxpayer to abolish the European Parliament who needs another House of Lords.

The reason the EU has a parliament is to provide a fig leaf to the voters that there is a democratic process. The reality is that it is a rubber stamp body and that the real power lies with the decisions of the EU Commissioners and the joint decisions of the member states.

Yes it does. And it makes sense because otherwise you'd have zero consistency.

This is no different to civil servants in the UK, they draft things up on the whims of the represented countries and ask them to approve.

Are you seriously suggesting that you think a better system would be that the elected MEPs should be creating the laws as if they were a government? Or you just want a free for all?

Do you know what the majority of things they pass are though? Broadly it's about standards which makes trade easier and protect consumers and traders. All those rules you want to rip up protect people from getting conned.

 

[georgenorman]

Except that hasn't happened. You've ADDED layers of bureaucracy and tariff by making us a third country. You were told this but scoffed it saying stupid things like "they need us more than we need them".

As for the huge layer, in terms of people the EU has fewer employees than Birmingham city council, but I would like to hear JUST ONE example of the layer that you refer to. Just one, thanks.

So there is no such thing as the EU and all the apparatus that surrounds it and there are no laws, regulations and treaties promulgated by them?

 

[Spindle]

It's hardly the countries fault that you didn't advise everyone of your retirement plans ahead of the vote. Had you done so the result would surely have been different. After all the fact you now have to fill in some extra paperwork is such a nightmarishly cataclysmic prospect only the most dedicated and flinty hearted Union Jack off merchant could fail to be moved to tears at your plight.

Mugs that are not directly affected tend to mock their fellow citizens in some weird flag ejaculation as if they are proud of how they caused so many real issues for other people.

 

[Spindle]

So there is no such thing as the EU and all the apparatus that surrounds it and there are no laws, regulations and treaties promulgated by them?

I'm asking you for a benefit. I refuted your claim.

Your dream of no rules is fantasy, it would never come to pass anywhere ever and it's obtuse to think it would be if only we left the EU and their rules.

You harmed our nation.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The arguments are refutable. I'm still waiting to hear about a Brexit win.

Dude, we did all that stuff years ago.

It's like going back to the covid arguments.

You're wrong, possibly because your idea of what's best for this country is linked to what you think is best for you.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Mugs that are not directly affected tend to mock their fellow citizens in some weird flag ejaculation as if they are proud of how they caused so many real issues for other people.

Issues more real than having to fill in forms? Good grief, what fresh hell is this? By the way, as flattering as it is to be included in the ranks of the mega rich some of us are only kilo rich.

 

[Badger11]

Yes it does. And it makes sense because otherwise you'd have zero consistency.

This is no different to civil servants in the UK, they draft things up on the whims of the represented countries and ask them to approve.

Are you seriously suggesting that you think a better system would be that the elected MEPs should be creating the laws as if they were a government? Or you just want a free for all?

Do you know what the majority of things they pass are though? Broadly it's about standards which makes trade easier and protect consumers and traders. All those rules you want to rip up protect people from getting conned.

Laws are proposed and drafted by the Commission. Parliament reviews and suggests changes but cannot propose laws ergo they rubber stamp.

And yes I am suggesting that if you are going to have a political union (without the UK of course) power should lie with the EU Parliament.

 

[georgenorman]

I'm asking you for a benefit. I refuted your claim.

Your dream of no rules is fantasy, it would never come to pass anywhere ever and it's obtuse to think it would be if only we left the EU and their rules.

You harmed our nation.

What do you mean by 'benefit' - financial, political, regulatory etc ... what clam did you refute?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What do you mean by 'benefit' - financial, political, regulatory etc ... what clam did you refute?

The clam that the rest of us are shellfish ba$tards?

 

[Eagleman13]

The clam that the rest of us are shellfish ba$tards?

Only for a langoustine time & not crabbing around.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Only for a langoustine time & not crabbing around.

Flex your mussels in Brussels.

 

[Spiderman]

Only for a langoustine time & not crabbing around.

And stop being shellfish

 

[georgenorman]

The clam that the rest of us are shellfish ba$tards?

In answer to Spindle, I understand that whelk stalls are much easier to run now.

 

[ASCPFC]

To be fair to spindle, there was an opportunity to use Brexit properly. That was squandered. Now Labour are in, it's never going to happen. Although it never looked likely except for a while with Boris. So having not been used, and Britain remaining tied to most of the laws that Brexit was about, realistically Britain may have had more benefit by staying in the EU. Probably less disruption anyway.
Ironically, the biggest benefit of Brexit I can think of is Trump's trade deal. But maybe I'm missing something. Oh, on a personal level - I get duty free.
Britain could have become a free trade country, a country of innovation and start ups, and a country that controlled its borders but none of that happened. There only seem to be downsides to Brexit for average people, the way it has been enacted.

 

[Spindle]

Dude, we did all that stuff years ago.

It's like going back to the covid arguments.

You're wrong, possibly because your idea of what's best for this country is linked to what you think is best for you.

Indeed it is, but at least I'm asking what I've missed. So far I've been gloated on sarcastically by a delighted brexiteer who hasn't provided an actual valid win.

 

[Spindle]

Issues more real than having to fill in forms? Good grief, what fresh hell is this? By the way, as flattering as it is to be included in the ranks of the mega rich some of us are only kilo rich.

So your win and improvement is that we have more bureaucracy? Nice. Sunlit uplands.....

 

[Spindle]

To be fair to spindle, there was an opportunity to use Brexit properly. That was squandered. Now Labour are in, it's never going to happen. Although it never looked likely except for a while with Boris. So having not been used, and Britain remaining tied to most of the laws that Brexit was about, realistically Britain may have had more benefit by staying in the EU. Probably less disruption anyway.
Ironically, the biggest benefit of Brexit I can think of is Trump's trade deal. But maybe I'm missing something. Oh, on a personal level - I get duty free.
Britain could have become a free trade country, a country of innovation and start ups, and a country that controlled its borders but none of that happened. There only seem to be downsides to Brexit for average people, the way it has been enacted.

Yup, and despite blind optimism and utter denial or blame, at least remainers saw this coming. But the blind optimism denial and blame just continues, when in front of everyone we can all see that the downsides have massively outweighed the upsides.

Perhaps Teddy can tell us when £1 sterling will be back at the 1.45 euro level it was at just before the vote before it collapsed 25% overnight, making Farages mates a fortune when shorting it whilst we instantly all became poorer. Did you short sterling that night Teddy? I expect you think I'm talking about WW2 bombers though...