Immigration

Spindle said:
I don't unless they are actually culturally British, then it's unfortunate and not deliberate.

If a house full of African migrants were burned out then good.

It's come to that, it's inevitable, you've been told well in advance but dug your heels in. The country is going to be kicking off constantly until someone begins to reduce the numbers of immigrants here. If you can't see that then you are just an idiot, as Hrolf has said.
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Some thoughts:

Unless they are 'culturally British'; who would know, if the burning is indiscriminate? As you say: 'unfortunate' But it was 'deliberate'.

What? Any African migrants? African migrants who have settled legally? African migrants who are second generation? Just 'African'? Or just north African?

You say 'burnt out'. What about burnt to death? Ok?

If so, you'd champion the indiscriminate killing of migrants, would you?
 
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DanH said:
Nope. Married to a white woman and have a boy and a girl, so on paper, I’m the poster boy British family man that you online right get weird hard ons over.
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Even though I was born in England and have a white wife, I think I'm in trouble:

Polish father

Italian grandfather

Oh dear.....
 
The left cannot distinguish the difference between immigration and unvetted, unchecked illegal immigration and those whose culture do not align with the west.

I myself am an immigrant. But I don't go around trying to chop people's heads off or raping women in the park. I'm here working away, paying taxes and contributing to the community and society.
 
eaglesdare said:
The left cannot distinguish the difference between immigration and unvetted, unchecked illegal immigration and those whose culture do not align with the west.

I myself am an immigrant. But I don't go around trying to chop people's heads off or raping women in the park. I'm here working away, paying taxes and contributing to the community and society.
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So how would your rightist mate above distinguish? Kill 'em all!

Oh! And how did the rioters distinguish?
 

Three jailed for violence at Henry Nowak police protest​


Marcus White, Reporting from Southampton Crown Court and Curtis Lancaster, Southampton
    • Published
      15 minutes ago
Three men have been jailed for violent disorder at a protest in Southampton following the murder of Henry Nowak.

Darren Medhurst, 36 of Carnation Road, Southampton was jailed for three years and three months, while Callum Darch, 27, of St Blaize Road, Romsey and Harley Haynes, 23, of Avenue Road, Southampton received two-and-a-half year sentences.

A total of 12 people have so far been sentenced over the disorder during which 12 police officers and a police dog were injured.

The protest on 2 June took place after police bodycam footage was released showing Nowak, 18, handcuffed as he lay dying after being stabbed by Vickrum Digwa, 23, who was jailed for life with a minimum term of 21 years.
A row of police wearing protective riot uniform, including helmets and shields, as red smoke fills the background.
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Police were pelted with missiles in the clashes on 2 June
Passing sentence at Southampton Crown Court, Judge William Mousley KC said: "Local residents were subjected to fear, distress and a genuine sense of danger."

Mousley, who had also precided over Digwa's trial, repeated his conclusion from previous hearings that the violence was "hate crime, borne out of a hatred of the police and in some cases racist views".

Prosecutor Edward Culver told the court Darren Medhurst had played a "leading role" in the disorder, throwing two items at police and lighting a burning bin that was propelled towards officers.

His sentence of three years and three months is a month more than the previous longest sentence passed over the disorder.

The court heard that Medhurst, had 51 previous convictions for 96 offences, including handling stolen goods, burglary and shoplifting.

Harley Haynes was shown in video footage with a black hood over his head.

The court was told he threw a number of objects including a brick and several pieces of glass.

One piece hit a lamppost and shattered, showering people with glass, the prosecution said.

Haynes had nine convictions for 21 offences including theft, criminal damage and supplying cannabis.

His defence argued that his involvement in the protests was "a one-off - an impulsive decision".

Callum Darch threw a wheelie bin at police officers, the court heard.

Culver explained how it was "targeted directly at the police" and how the action inflamed and encouraged others in the crowd.
A mid shot of police in protective riot uniform, including helmets and shields. There is a flaming bin in the background.
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The prosecution said Darren Medhurst lit the burning bin that was propelled towards the police
Kamil Josef Klonek of Lordswood Road, Southampton, became the first of the 21 defendants facing charges following the protest to plead not guilty.

Prosecutor Culver said Klonek was filmed in the "centre of the disturbance, chanting at police" and throwing a beer can.

The 33-year-old was refused bail and was remanded in custody. A trial date was fixed for 30 November.

The sentencing of Tyler Burley, 18, of Shakespeare Road in Southampton, was adjourned until 30 June for a pre-sentence report to be prepared. He previously pleaded guilty to violent disorder.
A composite image of five custody shots and an image of a police line at a protest with red smoke around them
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Clockwise from top: Daniel Frost, Andrew Summerhayes, Reece Robinson, Taylor Grundy and Dillon Crawford were sentenced on Wednesday
The prosecution read statements from police officers who were at the scene, with one officer saying those taking part were "acting like it was some kind of party or blood sport".

Another said he was aware that officers have received threats which have made them concerned for their safety.

A third spoke of his fear that someone was going to be killed at the disturbance.
Two mugshots of Connor Bishop (on the left) and Leon O'Leary. They are both looking at the camera. Conner has short brown hair while O'Leary is bald with a shaggy grey beard,
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Connor Bishop (left) and Leon O'Leary were sentenced on Tuesday for their part in the disorder
Five men were jailed on Wednesday:

  • Daniel Frost, 44, of Southampton, for two years and four months
  • Reece Robinson, 21, of Havant, for two-years
  • Taylor Grundy, 22, of Gosport, for two and a half years
  • Andrew Summerhayes, 38, of Romsey, for three years and two months
  • Dillon Crawford, 29, of Southampton, for three-years
On Tuesday, Connor Bishop, 24, was sentenced to two years and eight months and Leon O'Leary, 41, was jailed for three years and one month.
Protest outside police station in Southampton following conviction of Vikrum Digwa for murder of Henry Nowak, in Southampton
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Victim personal statements from police officers were read out in court
The court heard previously that the disorder had cost police £443,000 for staffing and accommodation, while Southampton City Council had paid £6,700 in clean-up costs.

A total of 21 people, have been charged in connection with the incident, which initially saw crowds demonstrating outside the city centre police station, before gathering close to the Digwa family home.

Digwa stabbed Nowak with a large blade in December 2025, which he said he carried on grounds of his Sikh faith, then lied to police at the scene, falsely claiming he was the victim of a racist attack. It lead officers to arrest Nowak instead of his killer.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) has since launched an investigation into the force's response.
A young man smiling wearing a white shirt and a blue tie. He is sitting in front of a green bush. He has brown hair.

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Henry Nowak's family were said to be "disappointed" to see the protests

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This Immigration issue feels to me like trying to shut the stable door while the horse has already bolted.

We need immigrants - but only those willing to contribute and integrate.

So where to go from here ?

Clearly there is an urgent need to minimise illegal immigration. Starmer hasn’t and can’t “ smash the gangs “ - that was a naive statement to make. But every effort should be made to mitigate the problem. Starting with withdrawing from the European Court of Human Rights.

And then let’s establish an effective deterrent for serious crimes committed by immigrants. Deportation rather than locking them up at the tax payers expense. Extend that to family and friends found guilty of aiding and abetting such crimes.

I don’t condone the “ eye for an eye “ actions being perpetrated in Belfast or the violence in Southampton. But until this country wakes up to the fact that this serious problem is only going to get worse then expect more of the same.
 
NEILLO said:
This Immigration issue feels to me like trying to shut the stable door while the horse has already bolted.

We need immigrants - but only those willing to contribute and integrate.

So where to go from here ?

Clearly there is an urgent need to minimise illegal immigration. Starmer hasn’t and can’t “ smash the gangs “ - that was a naive statement to make. But every effort should be made to mitigate the problem. Starting with withdrawing from the European Court of Human Rights.

And then let’s establish an effective deterrent for serious crimes committed by immigrants. Deportation rather than locking them up at the tax payers expense. Extend that to family and friends found guilty of aiding and abetting such crimes.

I don’t condone the “ eye for an eye “ actions being perpetrated in Belfast or the violence in Southampton. But until this country wakes up to the fact that this serious problem is only going to get worse then expect more of the same.
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I agree with most of that. Footnote sorry to hear about Rob Jones.
 
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