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Here is another such piece which is even more relevant to the current situation.

And another piece.

 
He had deep abdominal wounds, he was haemorrhaging inside badly. You could've raised his legs but he needed emergency surgery right there right then.

Regardless the truth was exposed

I think you're probably right, without getting him there in the first ten minutes he probably had no chance.....even if he got there it was probably low. But Walsh does state that stats for that vein leaking in the States is a twenty percent survival rate once in surgery.....How relevant it is to this specific case I don't know.

But the Police response is what was so wrong....those that should have helped him treated him like a criminal because the murderer cried racism.

And we know who the kind of people responsible for that mindset in the Police culture are.

I have zero confidence that the Labour party are capable of fixing it.

And the Tories were at the helm while most of this Police culture was created....I'll remind people that the Tory Home Secretary Amber Rudd appointed Cressandar Dick to head of the Met amid lots of feminist waffle.

Most of all the woke stuff happened under Tory governments.....they lied about being against it because in practice they made the woke appointments and did nothing to stop the rot in institutions.

They just rode the wave because Tories are careerists and those that vote for them are mostly nimbys, who only really care about their house price or if something effects them personally......Those people didn't give a feck about 17 year old Stirling potentially dying in a black gang attack in Stockwell.....It's not happening to their family.....Even though long term it backfires on them.

But if we know one thing, few in the west with power care about the long term.
 
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A narrative that was believed to the extent of handcuffing a dying man.
And, no, before you ask I wasn't there but how much threat could someone on the ground having been stabbed four times realistically offer?
None at all. Something no one challenges with the benefit of hindsight. The questions are about whether it should have been believed at the time and whether their error was misconduct, poor judgment or poor training. Which the investigation will determine. Although lots of people seemmto already know the answer and will reject any suggestions they aren’t right.
 
And another piece.

It isn’t!

It’s a another piece of right wing dogma trying to exploit a terrible tragedy when the bereaved have requested they don’t.

Whilst superficially similar the case of Floyd is actually very different. Floyd had not been stabbed. He was fine until arrested in a brutal way which resulted in his death. This wasn’t an error of judgement concerning the treatment of a dying man, as with Nowak.
 
It isn’t!

It’s a another piece of right wing dogma trying to exploit a terrible tragedy when the bereaved have requested they don’t.

Whilst superficially similar the case of Floyd is actually very different. Floyd had not been stabbed. He was fine until arrested in a brutal way which resulted in his death. This wasn’t an error of judgement concerning the treatment of a dying man, as with Nowak.
Different in that one was a career criminal with both methamphetamine and Fentanyl in his system while the other was an innocent student.
In any case protests at one death weren't demonised to anything like the same extent and do you honestly believe that Floyd's death wasn't politicised?
 
Here is another such piece which is even more relevant to the current situation.


Ha ha ha, I had to stop half way through the biased s*** she is coming out with. She's on the narrative again, she's part of the problem because she doesn't understand from her bubble the mood of the country and what everyone else is thinking.
 
Different in that one was a career criminal with both methamphetamine and Fentanyl in his system while the other was an innocent student.
In any case protests at one death weren't demonised to anything like the same extent and do you honestly believe that Floyd's death wasn't politicised?

Whatever people think about how the Police reacted in the Floyd case.....and personally I'm against the knee on the neck technique (though it was in Police manuals and taught....and also taught in many countries)...I'm still against it as a technique that goes too far (like some of the Police violence caught on camera recently).

He was a career criminal, sometimes a violent one too.

Whatever people think about the knee on the neck thing (which I agree with them on), Floyd was being arrested in the first place because he had tried to pass fake notes in a store....So trying to defraud a business.

When he discovered the Police were coming he ingested four times the safe limit for Fentanyl to get rid off the drugs on him (dim as a brick). This led to over ten minutes of him resisting arrest (also dim and probably drugs influenced) and the Police eventually grew frustrated (because they tried the soft approach several times) and got physical with him to enable arrest.

Ultimately it was the drug overdose, rather than 'I can't breathe' that killed him.

But no one on the left or in the media (much of the same thing) actually cared about facts....because it was a white man on top of a black man and the visuals created the reality for the bottom feeders.

If anyone objective was going to agree with a conviction it should have been manslaughter but politics decided otherwise.
 
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In furtherance to Henry Nowak's survival chances I think it's fair to point out some disagrement has come to light against the British establishment's opinion (much repeated) that he had no chance.

From Grok:

Some doctors (notably Dr. Krzysztof Magier, a UK-based paediatrician with trauma training) publicly disagree after reviewing footage and reports. He argues:
  • Nowak was still conscious and speaking loudly on police arrival → not yet terminal.
  • Handcuffing (twisting arms behind back) may have dislodged a forming clot, accelerating bleeding.
  • With prompt ambulance, fluids, TXA (clotting aid), and a short drive to hospital (reports suggest a trauma centre ~2-3 minutes away with sirens), survival odds could have been ~50% in his view.
This has contributed to the coroner's inquest (set for 2027. edit..something I regard as a political decision) examining whether police actions or delays caused or contributed to death.
 
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Lammy was correct to call out JD Vance over his comments about the Novak case.

How dare he interfere, it's not like British politicians and members of the public made a big deal out of the George Floyd case. 🙄
Indeed. Mind your own business as they said when they sent nearly 100 current and former UK Labour Party staff and helpers to swing states during the US election to help Biden.
 
Regarding the Novak Inquest. There are similarities to the Covid responses. You can have all the scientific opinion you want, much of it contradictory, but ultimately the result is/will be a political decision.
 

Yep, the system has created perverse incentives.

One arrest is far easier than another more difficult arrest that might involve danger, thus has less incentive and requires more resources.....ie blokes who can deal with the potential for violence.
 
Yep, the system has created perverse incentives.

One arrest is far easier than another more difficult arrest that might involve danger, thus has less incentive and requires more resources.....ie blokes who can deal with the potential for violence.

If I ever need to call the police I will have to pretend to a different colour and have just been racially abused.
 

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