Immigration

[Spindle]

Well for once a decent, balanced piece without opinion

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English

The debate about English identity has been a perennial one but has now taken on a harder edge

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Unless it’s trump, TR or anti immigrant protesters. Yup rog over and out !

I treat them exactly as I do everyone.

Perhaps you haven’t noticed but YL is a fraud who winds up the gullible and has made a lot of money from doing so. Trump is a narcistic, self righteous, self obsessed, corrupt and dangerous man whose mental capacities are in obvious decline. Immigrant protesters get no comment from me, unless they fail to abide by the law.

That’s my objective assessment.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There are 2 things I would say about the tragedy of Henry Nowak. Firstly I genuinely think it is being misused / misinterpreted, as the incident itself has nothing to do with the current immigration issue which is so deeply affecting the nation. Instead it appears to be a simple case of a nasty, knife-obsessed individual murdering an innocent young man.

It is not that difficult to understand the initial attitude of the police when they were told they were being called to a racist incident. However, what it has exposed, and what I am surprised you don't acknowledge here, is that this guidance quite clearly states that it is fine for the police to treat people differently based on their ethnicity. And implicitly that it is fine for the police to treat the majority worse because of their lack of "protected characteristics". The same thinking pervades our society - discrimination is not only permitted but actively encouraged, most commonly against white men.

This is in a country which has led the world in terms of its acceptance of other cultures, ethnicities and ways of living, and as a result a lot of people like myself, who are part of the traditional majority, have had enough of the narrative that the country is racist and bigoted and with a shameful heritage. I and many like me are genuinely angry about what is going on. "Stop being divisive !" shout the left - well discriminating against the majority is the source of the division and the anger, not a solution to it.

You were doing fine until you wrote the highlighted section.

This just isn’t true. It’s what Farage and Lowe want you to believe and what Musk and Vance seem to have fallen for too.

I have explained what that guidance actually is about in other posts and you can also find explanations in other places that deal with this objectively and honestly, rather than trying to exploit a tragedy for political purposes.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

His opinion IS evidence that trumps everything.

No. I believe things I hear with my own ears when they are said by those with personal knowledge of the subject. Not by those reading what they wrote and putting their own spin on them.

I have myself experienced this many times right here. People reading my words, then misunderstanding or misrepresentating them, then telling me they know better than me what was meant.

 

[chris123]

There are 2 things I would say about the tragedy of Henry Nowak. Firstly I genuinely think it is being misused / misinterpreted, as the incident itself has nothing to do with the current immigration issue which is so deeply affecting the nation. Instead it appears to be a simple case of a nasty, knife-obsessed individual murdering an innocent young man.

It is not that difficult to understand the initial attitude of the police when they were told they were being called to a racist incident. However, what it has exposed, and what I am surprised you don't acknowledge here, is that this guidance quite clearly states that it is fine for the police to treat people differently based on their ethnicity. And implicitly that it is fine for the police to treat the majority worse because of their lack of "protected characteristics". The same thinking pervades our society - discrimination is not only permitted but actively encouraged, most commonly against white men.

This is in a country which has led the world in terms of its acceptance of other cultures, ethnicities and ways of living, and as a result a lot of people like myself, who are part of the traditional majority, have had enough of the narrative that the country is racist and bigoted and with a shameful heritage. I and many like me are genuinely angry about what is going on. "Stop being divisive !" shout the left - well discriminating against the majority is the source of the division and the anger, not a solution to it.

Why wasn't the start point 25 years, to me it looks like the judge decided on a lower tariff while mentioning the religious knife in the summing up.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Just want to make the observation that when the establishment Police chiefs and Starmer say that there isn't two tier policing it can be countered in many ways.

But I'll counter it with this.

The government at the time (embarrassed to say Tory) classified the BLM riots as 'protests'. This is despite the fact that:

• The man tries to set the Union Flag on fire at the Cenotaph
• Police officers injured in Whitehall
• Violent clashes in Bristol, London, Newcastle, Birmingham
• Criminal damage to the Churchill statue
• The toppling of the Colston statue in Bristol

BLM riots: 155 arrests but because we don't have it officially recognized as a riots....number of known prosecutions 0

Let's compare that to Southport.....the government classified this as a riot.
859 prosecutions, with 821 convictions

Governments choose how to frame events:

• BLM was framed as a protest movement with some disorder.
• The 2024 unrest was framed as far‑right riots....whereas most of those doing the rioting wouldn't even known any members of so called 'far right' organisations.....Who actually choose to stay away because they knew it was a trap.

Two tier establishment with a different lens depending upon who is doing the rioting.

Hence two tier policing....and a long time before Nowak.

 

[Living In Hope]

You were doing fine until you wrote the highlighted section.

This just isn’t true. It’s what Farage and Lowe want you to believe and what Musk and Vance seem to have fallen for too.

I have explained what that guidance actually is about in other posts and you can also find explanations in other places that deal with this objectively and honestly, rather than trying to exploit a tragedy for political purposes.

But Wisbech, the guidance does say that. It states that "this does not mean treating everybody the same or being colour-blind" - to spell it out this says that people should not be treated the same and that the police should respond differently based on people's skin colour.

You have sought to explain why it says that, but that does not change the fact of what it says. If the base requirement was that all people would be dealt with the same regardless of race / ethnicity / religion, I think you would find that a large majority could get behind that. Instead this sort of issue has been massively over-complicated by projecting "equality of outcomes" into it, ignoring the fact that there are a large number of different factors apart from racism which affect outcomes for different racial / ethnic / religious groups.

It is precisely this difference in treatment, perhaps once well-intentioned but in my view wholly misguided, which is causing the division. It is not Farage who is causing it, instead he is simply leading a movement of people who have had enough of it.

 

[georgenorman]

But Wisbech, the guidance does say that. It states that "this does not mean treating everybody the same or being colour-blind" - to spell it out this says that people should not be treated the same and that the police should respond differently based on people's skin colour.

You have sought to explain why it says that, but that does not change the fact of what it says. If the base requirement was that all people would be dealt with the same regardless of race / ethnicity / religion, I think you would find that a large majority could get behind that. Instead this sort of issue has been massively over-complicated by projecting "equality of outcomes" into it, ignoring the fact that there are a large number of different factors apart from racism which affect outcomes for different racial / ethnic / religious groups.

It is precisely this difference in treatment, perhaps once well-intentioned but in my view wholly misguided, which is causing the division. It is not Farage who is causing it, instead he is simply leading a movement of people who have had enough of it.

Well Wisbelch doesn't accept the existence of white people, so he would argue they can't treat non-existing people differently - he is of course just trolling as usual.

 

[Spindle]

I treat them exactly as I do everyone.

Perhaps you haven’t noticed but YL is a fraud

You're the fraud

 

[Stirlingsays]

Matt Walsh makes the point that in America the vein that Nowak had cut has a 20 percent survival rate in the US if operated on. We were told by a British pathologist that it was 0 percent.

I wonder what the truth is.

Apparently where Nowak was ....a trauma centre was closer than the hospital that the ambulance went to.....Walsh says that if the Police had driven him to the trauma centre instead of waiting for the ambulance then he had a small chance.

How accurate any of this is, I don't know.

But one thing is for sure, I don't trust my establishment to be objective. What I see time and time again is an establishment willing to spin situations to protect themselves.

Perhaps it's always been like that, but I certainly remember different institutions back in the 80s and 90s, when a different non woke generation operated them.

 

[eaglesdare]

Matt Walsh makes the point that in America the vein that Nowak had cut has a 20 percent survival rate in the US if operated on. We were told by a British pathologist that it was 0 percent.

I wonder what the truth is.

Apparently where Nowak was ....a trauma centre was closer than the hospital that the ambulance went to.....Walsh says that if the Police had driven him to the trauma centre instead of waiting for the ambulance then he had a small chance.

How accurate any of this is, I don't know.

But one thing is for sure, I don't trust my establishment to be objective. What I see time and time again is an establishment willing to spin situations to protect themselves.

Perhaps it's always been like that, but I certainly remember different institutions back in the 80s and 90s, when a different generation operated them.

As soon as Nowak was arrested it looked like he took a turn for the worse straight away. Almost as if they opened up his wounds and blood flow while arresting him and putting his arms behind his back?

I wonder how long was he alive after he was initially stabbed until the police arrived? Could he have been saved if an ambulance was called or life saving measures given straight away?

 

[Stirlingsays]

As soon as Nowak was arrested it looked like he took a turn for the worse straight away. Almost as if they opened up his wounds and blood flow while arresting him and putting his arms behind his back?

I wonder how long was he alive after he was initially stabbed until the police arrived? Could he have been saved if an ambulance was called or life saving measures given straight away?

Intuitively it would seem likely to me.

But only an honest expert could say.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Also, it should also be stated because I doubt many know.

There is a lot more footage of what happened that night in relation to this murder and Police response that hasn't been released to the public.

Both footage that the murderer took of Nowak on the ground that the judge deemed too shocking and upsetting for even the jury to see.......Just something else that I regard as seriously deficient in this judge.....but also a lot of Police body cam footage both with Nowak and with the then suspects.

I don't trust the establishment......I think much of the reason it isn't released is because it more reinforces the anger that much of the country has about modern day policing.

 

[Spindle]

He had deep abdominal wounds, he was haemorrhaging inside badly. You could've raised his legs but he needed emergency surgery right there right then.

Regardless the truth was exposed

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Well for once a decent, balanced piece without opinion

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English

The debate about English identity has been a perennial one but has now taken on a harder edge

www.bbc.co.uk

Here is another such piece which is even more relevant to the current situation.

Laura Kuenssberg: Nowak murder has lit a match under UK politics

The police response to the murder of Henry Nowak has triggered a heated transatlantic debate.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You're the fraud

You don’t know anything at all about me. Fraudulent I am not. Mistaken sometimes, as we all are.

Y-L ensures he is well known, with his public utterances and attitudes. Which when challenged he doesn’t deny. He doesn’t work so where else does his wealth come from?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Intuitively it would seem likely to me.

But only an honest expert could say.

Which will be delivered at the inquest.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

He had deep abdominal wounds, he was haemorrhaging inside badly. You could've raised his legs but he needed emergency surgery right there right then.

Regardless the truth was exposed

Which could possibly have been delivered if an ambulance had been requested with the seriousness of the injuries described when the 999 call was made.

As it was the police were with an entirely false narrative being given by the murderer or his family.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You don’t know anything at all about me. Fraudulent I am not. Mistaken sometimes, as we all are.

Y-L ensures he is well known, with his public utterances and attitudes. Which when challenged he doesn’t deny. He doesn’t work so where else does his wealth come from?

Through a combination of online crowdfunding, international wealthy donors, paid public speaking, book sales, and alternative digital media platforms.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Which could possibly have been delivered if an ambulance had been requested with the seriousness of the injuries described when the 999 call was made.

As it was the police were with an entirely false narrative being given by the murderer or his family.

A narrative that was believed to the extent of handcuffing a dying man.
And, no, before you ask I wasn't there but how much threat could someone on the ground having been stabbed four times realistically offer?