Immigration

[eaglesdare]

Me too. When i lived in the UK, i supported the UK. Including the Union Jack flag which is a very controversial flag in Ireland. Whenever you choose to live somewhere...Japan, Spain etc , you gotta respect their culture and Laws.

And the feckers who arrive into the UK and immediately fighting against it, or forming mono-culture enclaves......they really boil my p1.ss

I'm pretty much the exact same as you.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I guess you can. I presume they're circumcised - just saying.

Only if they don't own a scabbard.

 

[eaglesdare]

So why is he allowed a knife then. I’m British and if I became sikh would I be allowed to carry one for my beliefs ?
Maybe we should all covert just to test it out 🤣

Perhaps we should start a new religion that allows women to carry pepper spray? 😅

 

[PalazioVecchio]

So why is he allowed a knife then. I’m British and if I became sikh would I be allowed to carry one for my beliefs ?
Maybe we should all covert just to test it out 🤣

the two knives that are legal carry are a) the Sikh kirpan and b) the scottish Skian Dubh ( black knife) which is only permissible when wearing traditional scottish Kilt etc.

I have never seen a photo of Tony Blair wearing the latter, but he did order a few dozen sorties over Iraq.

Sgian dubh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Teddy Eagle]

the two knives that are legal carry are a) the Sikh kirpan and b) the scottish Skian Dubh ( black knife) which is only permissible when wearing traditional scottish Kilt etc.

I have never seen a photo of Tony Blair wearing the latter, but he did order a few dozen sorties over Iraq.

Sgian dubh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A lot of Scottish ones haven't got a blade. They're purely ceremonial.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

A lot of Scottish ones haven't got a blade. They're purely ceremonial.

correct. Its often a bottle-opener disguised as a knife. Well, ya gotta get yer priorities organised for a booze-up.

Sikhs are normally very law-abiding. As the HOL Eagle said above, i reckon a super harsh sentence for breaching the trust on religious knives.

 

[eaglesdare]

correct. Its often a bottle-opener disguised as a knife. Well, ya gotta get yer priorities organised for a booze-up.

Sikhs are normally very law-abiding. As the HOL Eagle said above, i reckon a super harsh sentence for breaching the trust on religious knives.

I have seen videos online of them comming out and apologising and condemning what happened. (Muslims never do it) The sikhs are usually a nice bunch.

 

[Stirlingsays]

So why is he allowed a knife then. I’m British and if I became sikh would I be allowed to carry one for my beliefs ?
Maybe we should all covert just to test it out 🤣

Because it was never about their buzz word of 'equality'.

It's about 'protected characteristics'....they literally changed the law to enforce this. The practical effect resulted in the training that enabled Nowak to be treated how he was.

It means that the white male goes to the bottom of the list (even though they pay most of the taxes) and the white female next to him.

This is what elites wanted and it's what they made happen.

Our laws and institutions are filled with people convinced of the correctness of this because anyone who thinks differently has been filtered out and if they remain within the institutions at all.....are silent so that they can pay their rent.

 

[Jordan555x]

I have seen videos online of them comming out and apologising and condemning what happened. (Muslims never do it) The sikhs are usually a nice bunch.

I do see Muslims come out apologising and condemning after terrorist attacks but I do however believe if your community continually causes issues then the word "sorry" starts to lose effect. Grooming gangs, rapes, murders, terrorist attacks, violent responses to criticism of Islam, hostility towards other religions on British soil and hostility towards sexuality are just a handful of serious issues.

I actually feel very sorry for the Sikh community on this matter as they are such a well behaved group of people, they seldom cause any issues whatsoever. In fact I would go as far to say it is extremely rare yet they have been thrust into the spotlight over the decisions of one man, the government and the police from top to bottom. There is plenty of blood on people's hands with regards to Henry Nowak's death, the Sikh community with the exception of scumbags Vikram Digwa and his family, their hands at large are unbloodied as far as I am concerned.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I do see Muslims come out apologising and condemning after terrorist attacks but I do however believe if your community continually causes issues then the word "sorry" starts to lose effect. Grooming gangs, rapes, murders, terrorist attacks, violent responses to criticism of Islam, hostility towards other religions on British soil and hostility towards sexuality are just a handful of serious issues.

I actually feel very sorry for the Sikh community on this matter as they are such a well behaved group of people, they seldom cause any issues whatsoever. In fact I would go as far to say it is extremely rare yet they have been thrust into the spotlight over the decisions of one man, the government and the police from top to bottom. There is plenty of blood on people's hands with regards to Henry Nowak's death, the Sikh community with the exception of scumbags Vikram Digwa and his family, their hands at large are unbloodied as far as I am concerned.

I'd agree with the first paragraph quite strongly.

There is merit with the second but it's also a little bit rose tinted.

You are right to say that the Sikh community is far less of an issue than the Islamic.....it isn't even that comparable: similar to the Hindus.

However, the same integration and assimilation problems exist....though less violence centred. For example, they don't integrate like someone's German grandmother or French father did.....it doesn't merge with the host culture, but it keeps its separate identity though the second and third generations and on.

My father spoke with a Belfast accent and never called himself English, but he loved England, worked in its military and lived his adult life here, died here.....Terry Wogan was like that, an Irishman who loved Britain and who loved him back. These isles have connections and history.

It's rarely like that if you come from half way across the world.....for a minority perhaps brought up as Anglophiles like Braverman or Badenoch......but that's always the small minority.

 

[Jordan555x]

I'd agree with the first paragraph quite strongly.

There is merit with the second but it's also a little bit rose tinted.

You are right to say that the Sikh community is far less of an issue than the Islamic.....it isn't even that comparable: similar to the Hindus.

However, the same integration and assimilation problems exist....though less violence centred. For example, they don't integrate like someone's German grandmother or French father did.

My father spoke with a Belfast accent and never called himself English, but he loved England, worked in its military and lived his adult life here, died here.....Terry Wogan was like that, an Irishman who loved Britain and who loved him back. These isles have connections and history.

It's rarely like that if you come from half way across the world.....for a minority perhaps brought up as Anglophiles like Braverman or Badenoch......but that's always the small minority.

I guess it all depends on where you sit on the spectrum of integration and assimilation. The Sikhs and the British have a very deep connection which dates as far back as the British Raj, like the Polish and the Gurkhas they fought in and alongside the British army in both World Wars- a tradition that actually still continues to this day albeit in much smaller numbers, less demand for it to state the obvious. For me that historical fact carries a deep level of shared respect.

 

[ASCPFC]

Police anti-racism commitment 'gives the wrong impression', minister says

The Independent Office for Police Conduct's is reviewing a guidance document from the National Police Chiefs' Council.

www.bbc.com

They are still f***ing gas lighting everyone. A couple of points I want to state categorically.

The Judge is completely wrong in making any statement about what may or may not have happened to Nowak had help arrived earlier or had he been treated differently. A full autopsy and coroner's report would be required and only a properly qualified medical professional could make that judgement. It could still be refuted by another medical professional even then. That is so incorrect that the judge should be sanctioned for it - publicly.

Second point. BBC are using Nowak's death to continue to push their agenda. Half way through they discuss what black people think of the police. How is that any less "divisive" than anything else? This is somehow relevant to what black people think of the police? I'm incredulous at the complete disregard for balance and even reality here. And everyone - left or right, black or white or whatever - should be too.

Actually insane reporting and ridiculous cover up attempting already.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I guess it all depends on where you sit on the spectrum of integration and assimilation. The Sikhs and the British have a very deep connection which dates as far back as the British Raj, like the Polish and the Gurkhas they fought in and alongside the British army in both World Wars- a tradition that actually still continues to this day albeit in much smaller numbers, less demand for it to state the obvious. For me that historical fact carries a deep level of shared respect.

People paid to do a job in an army isn't the same as integration and assimilation.

Good people are not always the same as integration and assimilation.....there needs to be a strong connection and history.

There are good people all over the world who are nothing like us.

That doesn't mean they should have my birthright......I wouldn't even consider it unless I knew someone was a strong Anglophile.

Japan has the correct attitudes to birth right citizenship.....you can work there but it's very hard to be naturalised. Japan will still be Japanese in a hundred years, despite the best efforts of all the same types who have declined the west.

These isles are north western Europe but mainly Anglo Saxon and Celt and you can't crowbar endless numbers of people with loyalties outside of Europe and just expect things to go well......Even Cameron and Merkel knew multiculturalism had failed but plowed on regardless.

Suicidal empathy and Nowak died as a result of it.

 

[chris123]

I'd agree with the first paragraph quite strongly.

There is merit with the second but it's also a little bit rose tinted.

You are right to say that the Sikh community is far less of an issue than the Islamic.....it isn't even that comparable: similar to the Hindus.

However, the same integration and assimilation problems exist....though less violence centred. For example, they don't integrate like someone's German grandmother or French father did.....it doesn't merge with the host culture, but it keeps its separate identity though the second and third generations and on.

My father spoke with a Belfast accent and never called himself English, but he loved England, worked in its military and lived his adult life here, died here.....Terry Wogan was like that, an Irishman who loved Britain and who loved him back. These isles have connections and history.

It's rarely like that if you come from half way across the world.....for a minority perhaps brought up as Anglophiles like Braverman or Badenoch......but that's always the small minority.

My uncle was almost the reverse, didn't know him because of circumstances, but my dad mourned for him. British military, Dublin father, died in the Belfast blitz.

 

[Jordan555x]

Police anti-racism commitment 'gives the wrong impression', minister says

The Independent Office for Police Conduct's is reviewing a guidance document from the National Police Chiefs' Council.

www.bbc.com

They are still f***ing gas lighting everyone. A couple of points I want to state categorically.

The Judge is completely wrong in making any statement about what may or may not have happened to Nowak had help arrived earlier or had he been treated differently. A full autopsy and coroner's report would be required and only a properly qualified medical professional could make that judgement. It could still be refuted by another medical professional even then. That is so incorrect that the judge should be sanctioned for it - publicly.

Second point. BBC are using Nowak's death to continue to push their agenda. Half way through they discuss what black people think of the police. How is that any less "divisive" than anything else? This is somehow relevant to what black people think of the police? I'm incredulous at the complete disregard for balance and even reality here. And everyone - left or right, black or white or whatever - should be too.

Actually insane reporting and ridiculous cover up attempting already.

Just wait til new years eve when we get another repeat of the absolutely tone deaf agenda pushing amongst the fireworks like we did earlier this year.

 

[ASCPFC]

Just wait til new years eve when we get another repeat of the absolutely tone deaf agenda pushing amongst the fireworks like we did earlier this year.

It's becoming almost impossible to ignore. It seems completely ingrained in large swathes of society.
The sense of imperviousness amongst the young or new generations of those claiming constant victim hood has simply emboldened the wrong type of person and needs to be recognised.
Whilst others are genuinely left cowering at home - afraid to even go out.
There's a massive widespread issue that goes much further. And people are seeing it played out, time and time again.

 

[Jordan555x]

It's becoming almost impossible to ignore. It seems completely ingrained in large swathes of society.
The sense of imperviousness amongst the young or new generations of those claiming constant victim hood has simply emboldened the wrong type of person and needs to be recognised.
Whilst others are genuinely left cowering at home - afraid to even go out.
There's a massive widespread issue that goes much further. And people are seeing it played out, time and time again.

I couldn't have put it better myself. I totally agree. Their ideology is dangerous, it is absolutely suicidal empathy as Stirlingsays said above.

 

[ASCPFC]

I couldn't have put it better myself. I totally agree. Their ideology is dangerous, it is absolutely suicidal empathy as Stirlingsays said above.

I genuinely only want people treated equally. But also common sense. Of course, Irish people got stopped and searched more when there were IRA campaigns.
The same now goes for instance, for grooming gangs, youth stabbing and domestic terror threats. Particularly in certain areas too - unfortunately again. But it's clearly not Irish people this time. It's unfortunately how it is. It's not racist. It's reality.
In jobs, or education or government and private enterprise, I just want the best people. Not someone there because of skin colour or gender.
It's just common sense.
Current trajectories seem to promote division as far as I can see. People are seeing others treated differently. For the same reasons there were issues in the past, we're causing them again. With different demographics but similar problems. Justice and fairness are two bastions of English thougt/British values surely.
Are we actually promoting fairness and justice or are we actually promoting difference? I think that gets to the heart of the issue.

 

[Jordan555x]

People paid to do a job in an army isn't the same as integration and assimilation.

Good people are not always the same as integration and assimilation.....there needs to be a strong connection and history.

There are good people all over the world who are nothing like us.

That doesn't mean they should have my birthright......I wouldn't even consider it unless I knew someone was a strong Anglophile.

Japan has the correct attitudes to birth right citizenship.....you can work there but it's very hard to be naturalised. Japan will still be Japanese in a hundred years, despite the best efforts of all the same types who have declined the west.

These isles are north western Europe but mainly Anglo Saxon and Celt and you can't crowbar endless numbers of people with loyalties outside of Europe and just expect things to go well......Even Cameron and Merkel knew multiculturalism had failed but plowed on regardless.

Suicidal empathy and Nowak died as a result of it.

Fair enough. We are going to agree on a lot and disagree some things and that is okay. I genuinely want everybody to be treated equally but this buck stops at the people who consistently cause problems.

A hard fact of life is as a result of the British Empire the general left wing sentiment has put us on pedestal as if we owe people who lived under the British Empire something. Okay our ancestors did this, not us but that doesn't give them free reign to come over and take the absolute piss. Are we blaming modern German citizens for the crimes of the Nazis? Of course not.

This liberal ideology has emboldened criminals to come over and just take the absolute piss out of this country, its weak system and it is innocent civilians are paying the price for it. Its a subject I simply refuse to budge on, the left will hate me for it, if millions of people who are here in bad faith have to get deported then millions will be deported.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

My father spoke with a Belfast accent and never called himself English, but he loved England, worked in its military and lived his adult life here, died here.....Terry Wogan was like that, an Irishman who loved Britain and who loved him back. These isles have connections and history.

Immigration

as A) a citizen of the Republic, i feel duty bound to respect the British Laws & culture as i am only a blow-in in London. If i were B) a UK citizen, less required to behave myself and be as naughty as any other Londoner. It gets murky when A & B only grew up 500 yards apart along the NI border.

As a citizen of the Republic, i really dont give two fv.cks about a United Ireland. However i can understand if some Nordie Catholics feel they had the UK foisted upon them. Orangemen always tell the latter to 'go back to where they came from' which is about as ironic as a Boer telling a Khoison African near Pretoria a similar request. The Khoison have only been there for about 10,000 years.

And anyway, here in the Republic we have about 300,000 Brits living in peace and harmony.....mostly. Immigrants all. The problematic-people go to Benidorm and refuse to learn the local lingo.