Immigration

Wisbech Eagle said:
No he isn’t. In the eyes of the law he is a British born citizen.

I am 1/4 French. Am I a third generation immigrant?

If not, why not?
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Second generation immigrant is the standard sociological term for someone born in the host country to an immigrant parent.

Legal British citizenship by birth doesn't change that classification.
 
ASCPFC said:
And whose death was accelerated by the ideology and actions of the police.

One rule for BLM protests, one rule for another. Everyone gets it now - many more than did already.

I'd hazard a guess no one cares at all what the DEI woman pretends to have said. Everyone's seen all of that before too. Lies, lies and cover ups. The video is out - it's in colour and in the mainstream press. Exacerbated by Digwa's clear disregard for belonging to a decent country. Like a lot of people when you open your eyes and look.

Loads of people are just running around with knives. I'd hazard a guess the majority of them will not be watching the England games in the World Cup.
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That is dangerously untrue.

It seems extremely unlikely to me, given the injuries he suffered, that anything the police officers could have done would have saved him. We must await the PM to be sure.

That some officers made poor judgments is indisputable, as is that they were being deliberately misinformed.

That though doesn’t mean the police failed. Individual members failed. The police don’t have an ideology. They have duties. Which they carry out as fairly and objectively as circumstances allow.

Ignoring what the lady said the clause in the guidance actually addresses is ridiculous. She wrote it. She knows it’s being taken out of context for political purposes. Which is disgusting behaviour when a family is suffering.

I hope this event does produce a reaction that can begin to reduce knife crime. Removing religious exceptions to the law would be a good start!
 
I'll write something about Robinson after I heard his speech in Southampton.

I also have my issues about Robinson, however this needs to be said.

There's a speech Roosevelt gave in 1910 that included a section about the 'man in the arena'.

Essentially the message was this: the guy who sticks his head up and leads will always get criticised......mostly by those without the balls to take the slings and arrows that come at them by leading......Critics are two a penny, leaders are rare because having the balls required to tell the system it's wrong is rare.....and a lot of money will be thrown against you....rules will be changed to jail you.

If you think you can do better, then do what's required......otherwise we have the leaders we have or no leaders at all.....and one is much worse for your interests than the other. I will back whoever also has my back.....if they aren't perfect....well the guy in the WW1 trench standing next to your ancestor probably wasn't perfect either....are any of us?

To my mind society gets the leaders its vices deserve....right, left and centre.

If you really care about protecting your lad or lass on the street.....Well, the Police have to follow 'protected characteristics'...in the modern day they filter out right wing people. Your lad and lass are increasingly going to be on the bottom of the list like Nowak was.

Will the politicians really make the changes after Nowak......I seriously doubt it will amount to much more than words. Change only comes with changing the people and Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

If you don't want the worst outcomes, it's going to be the same as other ethnicity do it in diverse areas.....lads of your own culture or ethnicity (as it doesn't have to be exclusively white) joining together. There is protection in numbers. If your lad is on their own they are under more risk in diverse areas.

Robinson is telling you that.....I think it's sensible advice.

The legacy we have left for our children is a poisoned chalice.....Nowak is the latest example of that.

Don't let it be your lad or daughter next.
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
That is dangerously untrue.

It seems extremely unlikely to me, given the injuries he suffered, that anything the police officers could have done would have saved him. We must await the PM to be sure.

That some officers made poor judgments is indisputable, as is that they were being deliberately misinformed.

That though doesn’t mean the police failed. Individual members failed. The police don’t have an ideology. They have duties. Which they carry out as fairly and objectively as circumstances allow.

Ignoring what the lady said the clause in the guidance actually addresses is ridiculous. She wrote it. She knows it’s being taken out of context for political purposes. Which is disgusting behaviour when a family is suffering.

I hope this event does produce a reaction that can begin to reduce knife crime. Removing religious exceptions to the law would be a good start!
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Clearly true. It doesn't take an enquiry - which will likely be a whitewash. The video's out. I didn't want to see it but I did.

To let you know, I wasn't happy when Robinson turned up. He'd have been better off staying away. That is unhelpful.
 
eaglesdare said:
Second generation immigrant is the standard sociological term for someone born in the host country to an immigrant parent.

Legal British citizenship by birth doesn't change that classification.
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It changes their legal status though. They are entitled to everything we are from birth.

Now answer my question. Am I a third generation immigrant and, if so, should I be treated differently to those who aren’t?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It changes their legal status though. They are entitled to everything we are from birth.

Now answer my question. Am I a third generation immigrant and, if so, should I be treated differently to those who aren’t?
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Do you really need to be told that a lot of French people could be English or part British?
Would the culture, language, religion be totally different, or in fact largely comparable?
Would that be a similar situation in the vast majority of Africa and Asia?
 
eaglesdare said:
So what did Farage actually say to "incite a riot"?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2062078075597148366
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They can hardly keep a straight face. Clearly no concern at all for the dead boy. Only concerned with the continuous push of their agenda.

The BBC will not be lasting long. This agenda will vastly accelerate their demise. The licence fee is untenable and tax rises will not be popular.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It changes their legal status though. They are entitled to everything we are from birth.

Now answer my question. Am I a third generation immigrant and, if so, should I be treated differently to those who aren’t?
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I don't know are you? Is your parent or a grandparent an immigrant?

I'm an immigrant and I'm a second generation immigrant. I don't go around stabbing people or raping them. Do you?
 
ASCPFC said:
We're all going to be something. However, what is British about Digwa exactly - other than a piece of paper? Complete lack of integration, clearly.

There are so many people in our countries more bothered about their religion and their culture, rather than integration and this is another failure. But try to take away their citizenship and they cry wolf. If they can say wolf in English. Which is not likely for a lot of people.
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We don’t know that but it is irrelevant anyway to this. He murdered!

You are describing a different, whilst very important, problem. One I have addressed before here. The lack of integration of new arrivals. I am uncompromising on this. I think anyone who arrives here must undertake to accept British law, standards and culture. Any religious beliefs must be kept private and become secondary. Religious education should not exist along with religious influence in schools.

People should be offered a choice of accepting or being refused entry. If accepting they must also accept scrutiny and testing. Any evidence of non compliance resulting in expulsion.

Not focussed on one religion, or particular countries. All religion and every country.
 
Genuine question .

When would violent protest and outspoken political comment against suppression , foreign influence and dangerous state policing to overcome it become justified by the ethnic members of the UK public suffering it .

Millions in the UK backed the violent Political protests abroad like the George Floyd riots and ICE protests , Even taking to the streets themselves and rioting but the UK seems reticent or at best unsure when to back home grown violent political protests which is understandable but there has to a point when every other reasonable option is exhausted .

Suppression of free speech and singling out of sections of the community for harsher treatment by the state is surely criminal and despot and needs addressing , The only question is what is justifiable action if the State ignores peaceful protest and even bans it or suppresses it by banning speakers , Demonising Politicians who speak out and giving overly harsh sentences etc .

It could be said lastnights protest and previous ones including the Tommy Robinson Marches have already influenced Labour policy in a positive way and pushed the pendulum back towards the centre and right politically .
The next G.E is going to be more bitter and divisive than the Brexit vote .
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We don’t know that but it is irrelevant anyway to this. He murdered!

You are describing a different, whilst very important, problem. One I have addressed before here. The lack of integration of new arrivals. I am uncompromising on this. I think anyone who arrives here must undertake to accept British law, standards and culture. Any religious beliefs must be kept private and become secondary. Religious education should not exist along with religious influence in schools.

People should be offered a choice of accepting or being refused entry. If accepting they must also accept scrutiny and testing. Any evidence of non compliance resulting in expulsion.

Not focussed on one religion, or particular countries. All religion and every country.
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Fair enough, we would largely agree on that. I haven't looked into the Blue Turbans at all but suspect they might have an issue with another religion in England. And what I'm not happy with are those conflicts being brought to Europe with those people. I could be wrong, but frankly, I doubt it.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We don’t know that but it is irrelevant anyway to this. He murdered!

You are describing a different, whilst very important, problem. One I have addressed before here. The lack of integration of new arrivals. I am uncompromising on this. I think anyone who arrives here must undertake to accept British law, standards and culture. Any religious beliefs must be kept private and become secondary. Religious education should not exist along with religious influence in schools.

People should be offered a choice of accepting or being refused entry. If accepting they must also accept scrutiny and testing. Any evidence of non compliance resulting in expulsion.

Not focussed on one religion, or particular countries. All religion and every country.
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When there is continuous state injustice, and in particular when there is video evidence of it, you get violence. It's pretty predictable. One of the issues will be who that violence is directed towards. Social media accelerates it. The video of Digwa brandishing a sword is going around now. As usual, police did nothing. Community relations/ tensions perhaps? Forgetting about the majority community.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We don’t know that but it is irrelevant anyway to this. He murdered!

You are describing a different, whilst very important, problem. One I have addressed before here. The lack of integration of new arrivals. I am uncompromising on this. I think anyone who arrives here must undertake to accept British law, standards and culture. Any religious beliefs must be kept private and become secondary. Religious education should not exist along with religious influence in schools.

People should be offered a choice of accepting or being refused entry. If accepting they must also accept scrutiny and testing. Any evidence of non compliance resulting in expulsion.

Not focussed on one religion, or particular countries. All religion and every country.
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The human rights lawyers will love all that. All Sir Keir's ex-colleagues will be rubbing their hands together.
 
eaglesdare said:
I'm an immigrant and I'm a second generation immigrant. I don't go around stabbing people or raping them.
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Me too. When i lived in the UK, i supported the UK. Including the Union Jack flag which is a very controversial flag in Ireland. Whenever you choose to live somewhere...Japan, Spain etc , you gotta respect their culture and Laws.

And the feckers who arrive into the UK and immediately fighting against it, or forming mono-culture enclaves......they really boil my p1.ss
 
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Stirlingsays said:
I'll write something about Robinson after I heard his speech in Southampton.

I also have my issues about Robinson, however this needs to be said.

There's a speech Roosevelt gave in 1910 that included a section about the 'man in the arena'.

Essentially the message was this: the guy who sticks his head up and leads will always get criticised......mostly by those without the balls to take the slings and arrows that come at them by leading......Critics are two a penny, leaders are rare because having the balls required to tell the system it's wrong is rare.....and a lot of money will be thrown against you....rules will be changed to jail you.

If you think you can do better, then do what's required......otherwise we have the leaders we have or no leaders at all.....and one is much worse for your interests than the other. I will back whoever also has my back.....if they aren't perfect....well the guy in the WW1 trench standing next to your ancestor probably wasn't perfect either....are any of us?

To my mind society gets the leaders its vices deserve....right, left and centre.

If you really care about protecting your lad or lass on the street.....Well, the Police have to follow 'protected characteristics'...in the modern day they filter out right wing people. Your lad and lass are increasingly going to be on the bottom of the list like Nowak was.

Will the politicians really make the changes after Nowak......I seriously doubt it will amount to much more than words. Change only comes with changing the people and Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

If you don't want the worst outcomes, it's going to be the same as other ethnicity do it in diverse areas.....lads of your own culture or ethnicity (as it doesn't have to be exclusively white) joining together. There is protection in numbers. If your lad is on their own they are under more risk in diverse areas.

Robinson is telling you that.....I think it's sensible advice.

The legacy we have left for our children is a poisoned chalice.....Nowak is the latest example of that.

Don't let it be your lad or daughter next.
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I'll be honest I was your typical liberal, I never voted mind you but I digress. There have been a series of major events in the years leading up to this point where I have just come to the conclusion that this ideology is just not working, it is due to this very ideology that our country and many like us are where we are now. I am at the point now where its Restore Britain or nobody. We need a political party that are not scared shitless to address serious issues in our societies for fear of offending people. The entire shitlib political structure needs to be torn down and rebuilt. Restore Britain is the only party that doesn't dance around the issue and just tells it how it is.
 
Jordan555x said:
I'll be honest I was your typical liberal, I never voted mind you but I digress. There have been a series of major events in the years leading up to this point where I have just come to the conclusion that this ideology is just not working, it is due to this very ideology that our country and many like us are where we are now. I am at the point now where its Restore Britain or nobody. We need a political party that are not scared shitless to address serious issues in our societies for fear of offending people. The entire shitlib political structure needs to be torn down and rebuilt. Restore Britain is the only party that doesn't dance around the issue and just tells it how it is.
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This is opening your own eyes. I was previously Labour - until Blair of course. Once your eyes are open, no amount of spin is going to change your mind. Real action would placate me somewhat. But it never, ever happens. And I would never vote Tory so was disenfranchised for years. Maybe there's a real choice now.
 
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