Immigration

[HKOwen]

Is his mother also British born?

Wisbech Eagle's diatribes are nauseating.

Please, please, do not engage or respond to him and he will fade away

 

[cryrst]

No one has yet addressed why this is thought suitable for the Immigration thread.

Digwa is British born. He just happens to be a Sikh.

Most of the debate over this terrible murder, other than here, is about the permission given to Sikhs to carry a knife for religious reasons.

As someone who strongly opposes any kind of exceptionalism for religious reasons I think this is ridiculous and needs to be banned asap.

I have always thought allowing Sikhs to ride a motorcycle without a crash helmet to be wrong. They might only be risking themselves but with a free at the point of use health service it also impacts us. They ought only to have the choice of not riding a motorcycle if their beliefs are so strong.

Religion is a private matter. It ought not impact others in any way. Carrying a large knife is illegal. The law applies to all. No exceptions.

Last throw of a desperate man !

 

[HKOwen]

Last throw of a desperate man !

Demonstrating his stupidity, Sikhs are specifically excluded from the laws around knife carrying.

However, that needs to change immediately

 

[eaglesdare]

Demonstrating his stupidity, Sikhs are specifically excluded from the laws around knife carrying.

However, that needs to change immediately

What I want to know is will he be allowed to carry the knife in prison? 🤔

If not then why be allowed to carry in public?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The racism on show is that white people are now the villains and everyone else is the victims. It's all the DEI training the police get these days.

The racism on show here is that you categorise people by their skin colour.

If you mean people like you, say so. The colour of our skins is probably very similar but you don’t speak for me.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Last throw of a desperate man !

What on earth do you think I am “desperate” about?

That’s a ridiculous and pathetic assertion of someone totally incapable of understanding another point of view.

I disagree with you. That’s all.

 

[georgenorman]

Wisbech Eagle's diatribes are nauseating.

Please, please, do not engage or respond to him and he will fade away

If only!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Is his mother also British born?

I don’t know but think it more likely than not given when the large wave of migration from the Punjab happened. I would think it more likely his grand mother was an immigrant.

None of which matters. He is.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

No one has yet addressed why this is thought suitable for the Immigration thread.

Digwa is British born. He just happens to be a Sikh.

Most of the debate over this terrible murder, other than here, is about the permission given to Sikhs to carry a knife for religious reasons.

As someone who strongly opposes any kind of exceptionalism for religious reasons I think this is ridiculous and needs to be banned asap.

I have always thought allowing Sikhs to ride a motorcycle without a crash helmet to be wrong. They might only be risking themselves but with a free at the point of use health service it also impacts us. They ought only to have the choice of not riding a motorcycle if their beliefs are so strong.

Religion is a private matter. It ought not impact others in any way. Carrying a large knife is illegal. The law applies to all. No exceptions.

I don't think that is true, and I don't know why we would pretend that the conduct of the police in this case isn't a major cause for concern - I think it's a perfectly reasonable assumption that sensitivity around being perceived as racist impacted the police response to the situation, and that resulted in a young man losing his life, when it may well have been preventable.

I don't know why so many on the left struggle to condemn things like this - it's an appalling waste of a young life, for which the body employed to protect us are at least partially responsible, seemingly as a result of whatever biases they have internalised.

That needs addressing.

 

[ASCPFC]

I don't think that is true, and I don't know why we would pretend that the conduct of the police in this case isn't a major cause for concern - I think it's a perfectly reasonable assumption that sensitivity around being perceived as racist impacted the police response to the situation, and that resulted in a young man losing his life, when it may well have been preventable.

I don't know why so many on the left struggle to condemn things like this - it's an appalling waste of a young life, for which the body employed to protect us are at least partially responsible, seemingly as a result of whatever biases they have internalised.

That needs addressing.

Exactly - it could have been any of us. Or someone we knew. And it isn't good enough. There needs to be no politics or ideology in policing.

 

[eaglesdare]

The mother is an Indian national. Hence the relevance of the immigration topic. The murderer is a second generation immigrant.

As far as I know she took the weapon and hid it? And tried to cover for her son?

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Demonstrating his stupidity, Sikhs are specifically excluded from the laws around knife carrying.

However, that needs to change immediately

are you suggesting that, for the sake of equality, everybody can now carry a knife ? a bit like some parts of the US then ?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Which is why there will now be an IPC investigation.

Which I welcome as objective and fair. So very different to the attitudes here.

An investigation to discover whether or not the guidelines are spectacularly wrong?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

As we don’t know that background, that’s also an unknown.

We know that if the officers concerned followed their instructions, which they did, they would have handcuffed the accused which they also did.

 

[eaglesdare]

"I don't think you have mate"

Was the response of the police officer when told he was stabbed.

😡

 

[Teddy Eagle]

are you suggesting that, for the sake of equality, everybody can now carry a knife ? a bit like some parts of the US then ?

As an aside, would an American living in Britain be allowed to carry a gun on the grounds that "It's part of my culture"?

 

[HKOwen]

In my view the mother who took the knife away should be deported and the brother should face serious charges.

Others may disagree, it's an opinion

 

[georgenorman]

I don’t know but think it more likely than not given when the large wave of migration from the Punjab happened. I would think it more likely his grand mother was an immigrant.

None of which matters. He is.

The only English thing about him is that he unfortunately lives in this country

 

[Spiderman]

You seem to think police officers are AI robots capable of faultless decision making in an instant. They aren’t. They are us in a uniform. Some excellent, others less so. Some remain calm in all circumstances, some don’t.

If you cannot see that attending a situation like that doesn’t exert pressure then Specsavers can’t help you. You need to seek some very different help.

Watch the video if you consider that a pressurised situation than God help you. There was no pressure, no ongoing altercation, the assailant just standing there and the victim on the ground. In view of your completely blinkered views of the Police conduct, maybe a trip to the local stables would be in order for you

 

[Spiderman]

Untrue. I didn’t comment because I didn’t know.

Now we do. We have seen the bodycam footage. Why was that? He appeared to be in an awkward spot. They were assuming he was the perpetrator, not the victim. He was lying some distance from where he was stabbed so no trail of blood was seen. It was a terrible mistake and bad judgement but not malicious.

Did you believe me… your reply suggested not