Immigration

Spindle said:
Well I bought a knife set for my daughter for Xmas, I had to sign for them and provide ID. All part of the benefits of diversity, it's another cultural win just like airport security and anti vehicle bollards
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Buy them online or in a shop? If the latter you must either be, or look, as if you are under 18! I don’t ever have a problem!
 
Common Sense Club said:
It seems strange that you want the uninvited arrivals to stop yet will not entertain Trump-like policies to achieve it ( that seem to have been successful) . You must be in turmoil.
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Those Trump-like policies being things like terrorising citizens by sending ICE to their doors, or arresting perfectly well behaved people who have lived in the country for many years in the street, using aggression?

You think that would stop the small boats? I don’t. I think it just makes people angry.
 
Reform announce, if they get into government, civil servants who have granted right to remain in Britain, to migrants who went on to commit murder or sexual offences, will be persecuted.

Penalties including up to two years in prison, loss of jobs, and pensions.

Change is coming.

Our liberal and progressive civil service has been placed on notice.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Reform announce, if they get into government, civil servants who have granted right to remain in Britain, to migrants who went on to commit murder or sexual offences, will be persecuted.

Penalties including up to two years in prison, loss of jobs, and pensions.

Change is coming.

Our liberal and progressive civil service has been placed on notice.
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That will work against Reform, not for it.

It smacks of Trumplike retribution which will never be tolerated here.

Any civil servant who deliberately overlooked a warning sign is already subject to sanctions. You cannot though punish one for doing their job responsibly, and to the best of their ability, if any migrant they helped process went on to commit a heinous crime.

Imagine the same principle being applied to anyone who had any kind of responsibility for approving someone for something who later committed murder or sex crimes! We would be persecuting many teachers, social workers etc etc.

It’s nonsense.
 
The story as reported in the Telegraph says:
Civil servants who have knowingly let foreign sex offenders into Britain would be prosecuted under a Reform UK government.

So the number involved is likely to be very small.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Those Trump-like policies being things like terrorising citizens by sending ICE to their doors, or arresting perfectly well behaved people who have lived in the country for many years in the street, using aggression?

You think that would stop the small boats? I don’t. I think it just makes people angry.
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You seem to be concentrating on the removal of those already illegally in the country; that would be secondary-first stop adding to the problem by letting more illegal immigrants in by using Trump tactics.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
That will work against Reform, not for it.

It smacks of Trumplike retribution which will never be tolerated here.

Any civil servant who deliberately overlooked a warning sign is already subject to sanctions. You cannot though punish one for doing their job responsibly, and to the best of their ability, if any migrant they helped process went on to commit a heinous crime.

Imagine the same principle being applied to anyone who had any kind of responsibility for approving someone for something who later committed murder or sex crimes! We would be persecuting many teachers, social workers etc etc.

It’s nonsense.
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No it’s not.
 
Meanwhile, the idiot Green party deputy leader Rachel Millwards' Christmas message is all about feminism and letting everyone pile in. Yet, in leafy Forest Row, Sussex, the population is 95% white. That's where she lives.

 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
That will work against Reform, not for it.

It smacks of Trumplike retribution which will never be tolerated here.

Any civil servant who deliberately overlooked a warning sign is already subject to sanctions. You cannot though punish one for doing their job responsibly, and to the best of their ability, if any migrant they helped process went on to commit a heinous crime.

Imagine the same principle being applied to anyone who had any kind of responsibility for approving someone for something who later committed murder or sex crimes! We would be persecuting many teachers, social workers etc etc.

It’s nonsense.
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I know you find this difficult.

But perhaps if you just find the courage to change then you might see that this is for the best.

Find it within yourself to evolve to the coming reality and just make the best of it.

We will all be rooting for you.

If not perhaps volunteer to Green Party immigration groups?....maybe offer discounts to struggling migrants in your gas lite abodes. There's always a non gas lit light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Reform announce, if they get into government, civil servants who have granted right to remain in Britain, to migrants who went on to commit murder or sexual offences, will be persecuted.

Penalties including up to two years in prison, loss of jobs, and pensions.

Change is coming.

Our liberal and progressive civil service has been placed on notice.
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Not really a penalty for being persecuted, making them watch England batting would work.
 
Spindle said:
the idiot Green party deputy leader Rachel Millwards' Christmas message is all about feminism and letting everyone pile in.
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Feminists and Lefties are delighted to see a tsunami of men arriving in. Cos it makes our already existing men redundant and surplus to requirements. As seen in Sweden. Women control the home ownership, the Social Housing, and the well paid Public Sector jobs. Men can be homeless, or rent, or can sofa-surf.
And the Dating market is skewed accordingly too. Men seem to be disposable, replaceable and interchangeable ?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
The story as reported in the Telegraph says:
Civil servants who have knowingly let foreign sex offenders into Britain would be prosecuted under a Reform UK government.

So the number involved is likely to be very small.
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I hope they would be now! Anyone doing that deserves to be. You are right though, it’s unlikely that many, if any, would be quite that stupid.

So the original comment here was very exaggerated and misleading. What a surprise!
 
Common Sense Club said:
You seem to be concentrating on the removal of those already illegally in the country; that would be secondary-first stop adding to the problem by letting more illegal immigrants in by using Trump tactics.
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We face an entirely different scenario. The Trump administration is using an aggressive removal policy to terrorise as a primary tool, dumping people into inhuman conditions in collaborating countries without them being given any legal protection. Something the Courts are now reversing.

We could do the same, only we don’t have any convenient dumping grounds and we do follow the law. If Reform tried these tactics there would be uproar. Not just here but from our neighbours and partners. We aren’t the USA, able to act with distain and prepared, for now, to ignore world opinion.

That though is only part of the difference. The USA has a land border with Mexico. It can suspend its asylum policy at will and refuse entry, and return any that evade border controls but get captured. Mexico can do nothing to stop this. They are powerless.

We have a sea border with France, which is the primary problem. The USA doesn’t. We cannot just send the boats back to France. Unlike Mexico, France isn’t powerless.

Illegals arriving by air who destroy their documents on arrival present a different problem. One for which improved biometrics prior to boarding could solve.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Reform announce, if they get into government, civil servants who have granted right to remain in Britain, to migrants who went on to commit murder or sexual offences, will be persecuted.

Penalties including up to two years in prison, loss of jobs, and pensions.

Change is coming.

Our liberal and progressive civil service has been placed on notice.
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Presumably that's prosecuted. I suspect a lot of money has changed hands in this debacle.

As aforesaid on these pages, it's beyond belief the situation we have created by national apathy.

Started with Blair and snowballed
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We face an entirely different scenario. The Trump administration is using an aggressive removal policy to terrorise as a primary tool, dumping people into inhuman conditions in collaborating countries without them being given any legal protection. Something the Courts are now reversing.

We could do the same, only we don’t have any convenient dumping grounds and we do follow the law. If Reform tried these tactics there would be uproar. Not just here but from our neighbours and partners. We aren’t the USA, able to act with distain and prepared, for now, to ignore world opinion.

That though is only part of the difference. The USA has a land border with Mexico. It can suspend its asylum policy at will and refuse entry, and return any that evade border controls but get captured. Mexico can do nothing to stop this. They are powerless.

We have a sea border with France, which is the primary problem. The USA doesn’t. We cannot just send the boats back to France. Unlike Mexico, France isn’t powerless.

Illegals arriving by air who destroy their documents on arrival present a different problem. One for which improved biometrics prior to boarding could solve.
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Okay, let’s do nothing and hope that things improve.
We are not using terrorising tactics to remove people and that may be why the pull to these shores still exists. And the government can point to 50000 being removed from the UK but only 4% are people who crossed the Channel; they will be overstaying individuals who were presumably verified by documentation when they entered. So we are replacing known individuals with unknown individuals; hardly a win-win situation.
I am more inclined to accept illegal immigrants who fly in from outside the EU; they have not passed through several safe countries. The dingies set off from a safe country and therefore on principle should be returned (if that means leaving various international agreements, so be it).
By continuing to just talk with our neighbours nothing changes, in fact it’s now worse.
If you always do what you’ve always done, you always get what you’ve always got.
 
Common Sense Club said:
Okay, let’s do nothing and hope that things improve.
We are not using terrorising tactics to remove people and that may be why the pull to these shores still exists. And the government can point to 50000 being removed from the UK but only 4% are people who crossed the Channel; they will be overstaying individuals who were presumably verified by documentation when they entered. So we are replacing known individuals with unknown individuals; hardly a win-win situation.
I am more inclined to accept illegal immigrants who fly in from outside the EU; they have not passed through several safe countries. The dingies set off from a safe country and therefore on principle should be returned (if that means leaving various international agreements, so be it).
By continuing to just talk with our neighbours nothing changes, in fact it’s now worse.
If you always do what you’ve always done, you always get what you’ve always got.
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Of course we don’t just do nothing! It’s what can best be done that yields actual results that’s questioned.

It’s easy, even lazy, to think that they can simply be returned to France but if you stop and think about the practicalities it’s not a valid option. It would produce bigger problems than we already have. Cooperation is much more effective than confrontation. In the long run.
 
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