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Here we go, blatant two tier judiciary

I see that Labour MP Mike Amesbury had his sentence changed to suspended.
So far right - all go to jail, regardless of their crime - a Labour MP on the left can do community service.
One rule for one and so on - the man beat someone up good and proper but doesn't end up in jail.
This is bad and looks bad!
 
So if your are a Labour MP you get a 2 year suspended sentence for beating a man up.

The two tier justice system strikes again.
 
The Dolphin said:
I see that Labour MP Mike Amesbury had his sentence changed to suspended.
So far right - all go to jail, regardless of their crime - a Labour MP on the left can do community service.
One rule for one and so on - the man beat someone up good and proper but doesn't end up in jail.
This is bad and looks bad!
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He has to be sacked.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
He has to be sacked.
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this is beyond a joke now.
Hopefully the locals will demand he goes.
Assault by a labour MP gets a ticking off, disagreeable words by anybody else , prison, at an excessive term.
Its so far in your face now, they appear to be as bent as the proverbial 9 bob note.

No doubt the other guy ,throat cutting gesture, labour mps hearing will keep getting deferred until nobody notices.
 
kingdowieonthewall said:
this is beyond a joke now.
Hopefully the locals will demand he goes.
Assault by a labour MP gets a ticking off, disagreeable words by anybody else , prison, at an excessive term.
Its so far in your face now, they appear to be as bent as the proverbial 9 bob note.

No doubt the other guy ,throat cutting gesture, labour mps hearing will keep getting deferred until nobody notices.
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I would imagine that is highly likely since Reform came second.
 
Repeated from elsewhere.

The apologists in chiefs for our establishment tell us that our judiciary are objective and not biased.

However, it's clearly lies and more and more of our judges appear to be moving towards real bias in their judgements. Similar to activist judges in America. None of us are surprised by this.

Had this been Farage punching a Muslim I suspect the outcome would be very different.

Put some mean comments on Facebook after those disgusting child murders and you get banged up also immediately and get the judge filmed sentencing and condemning you. But be a Labour MP punching some guy on the street and give a pack of lies to the Police and it's a suspended sentence.

We aren't living in the same country we were raised in gentlemen. The people in charge are a significant downgrade.
 
To the naive people who think otherwise... judges are not neutral and are told how to act by government. I know this first hand with lots of other examples where they have blatantly ignored the law to avoid/delay giving landlords possession of their properties at hearings. This is a pure political move.
 
Penge Eagle said:
To the naive people who think otherwise... judges are not neutral and are told how to act by government. I know this first hand with lots of other examples where they have blatantly ignored the law to avoid/delay giving landlords possession of their properties at hearings. This is a pure political move.
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Penge Eagle said:
To the naive people who think otherwise... judges are not neutral and are told how to act by government. I know this first hand with lots of other examples where they have blatantly ignored the law to avoid/delay giving landlords possession of their properties at hearings. This is a pure political move.
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Many people in positions of authority seems to make perverse and arbitrary decisions these days.
 
georgenorman said:
Many people in positions of authority seems to make perverse and arbitrary decisions these days.
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I think Dominic Cummings substack focuses on our establishment bureaucracy's deliberately managed decline quite well. It starts off thus:

We’ve been fundamentally overestimating the extent to which even very high IQ people actually have beliefs… The level of just outright trend following dominates everything.

(Overheard Washington/DOGE/Silicon Valley discussion)

So little trouble do men take in the search after truth, so readily do they accept whatever comes first to hand.

Thucydides 1.20

Yes, all the papers say the same thing, that’s true. So much the same that they are just like frogs before a storm! You can’t hear anything for their croaking.

The old prince, Anna Karenina

The nature of the breakdown of civilisations can be summed up in three points: a failure of creative power in the minority, an answering withdrawal of mimesis (imitation) on the part of the majority, and a consequent loss of social unity in the society as a whole.

Toynbee

Bureaucracy is a bad European system of government, created by the use of permanent public officials, a system that does not, should not, and cannot exist in England.

Palmerston to Queen Victoria, 1837
 
Public services tends to be a top down follow the procedures organisations. However this restricts creativity and efficiency.

I spent my working career improving processes and procedures I suspect I would not have been welcome in the Civil Service.

You cannot allow staff to have a free for all but you have to encourage and reward innovation. I often think that like Sir Humphrey the management is more interested in maintaining the status quo.
 
I saw this on another site same topic

""No, the civil service is pretty big on ways to improve your job etc. What people tend to not understand is that the civil services isn't like a business its not about the most financially efficient way of doing something, but the manner that best fulfils that jobs requirements and minimises risks. For example, when I worked in the court service, there was a big focus on specific procedural steps that don't immediately make sense in terms of efficiency, but are often necessary in terms of impartiality of the court, due process, disclosure etc. I couldn't advise people on how to 'fill out an application' and even if I suspected it was filled out wrong, I would have to accept it and the payment - even though I knew we'd end up processessing it in due course, have to raise a refund, post it and the returned application etc. To provide advice, or direction, would be to show favour (and potentially be culpable for damages if that advice was wrong). Cases get adjourned to a later date, because documents were shared only six days, rather than seven days to the respondent.

But the end result is that everyone gets an impartial, due process, irrespective of who they are.""

What an idiot, as long as the process is fine and impartial it doesn't matter that the public are not served.

We can all understand that court officials must not show favour however I do not think it beyond th whit of man that where basic mistakes with applications are made that this can be pointed out. It's not about the validity of their case just the simple facts.

Without knowing the details the obvious solution to me is to get rid of the paper and use internet AI to do simple admin checking e.g. you have not completed your name and address correctly. Not only would this improve efficiency but the court records would be electronic rather than paper.

Sigh.
 
Penge Eagle said:
To the naive people who think otherwise... judges are not neutral and are told how to act by government. I know this first hand with lots of other examples where they have blatantly ignored the law to avoid/delay giving landlords possession of their properties at hearings. This is a pure political move.
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Landlords are treated like criminals in Ireland too. I reckon drug dealers get an easier treatment from the media and Courts.

www.thejournal.ie

Man who unknowingly transported €360,000 worth of drugs before noticing smell given suspended sentence

The accused had offered his cousin a lift to Cabra, unaware that there was cannabis in his car, the court heard.
www.thejournal.ie www.thejournal.ie

www.breakingnews.ie

Court refuses landlord's request for judgment against Supermacs over alleged unpaid rents | BreakingNews.ie

She considered Supermacs Ireland Limited had “just about done enough” in persuading the court there was merit in the matter proceeding to full hearing.
www.breakingnews.ie www.breakingnews.ie
 
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Badger11 said:
Public services tends to be a top down follow the procedures organisations. However this restricts creativity and efficiency.

I spent my working career improving processes and procedures I suspect I would not have been welcome in the Civil Service.

You cannot allow staff to have a free for all but you have to encourage and reward innovation. I often think that like Sir Humphrey the management is more interested in maintaining the status quo.
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You'll have to let the kids know who Sir Humphrey was.
 
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