Here we go, blatant two tier judiciary

Spindle said:
Don't pretend that freedom is nothing, because it isn't.
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I am not, you are the one saying that.

You can still work in the EU if you want to and an employer wants you. It may involve some paperwork but that it no different from most countries. As for study it is not an issue. My friends daughter has completed a four year degree at Edinburgh university with one year of that in Amsterdam.
 
I'm not interested in working. I can no longer travel without a horrible restriction, nor retire in the sun. Student visas are entirely different
 
Spindle said:
I'm not interested in working. I can no longer travel without a horrible restriction, nor retire in the sun. Student visas are entirely different
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You can travel or retire anywhere you like Spindle . Nearly all countries have some sort of visa that permits travel and/or residency . Most of course need proof of means to support yourself and some require some sort of investment in the country . Lets face it you are not going to retire in the sun without capital

So if you want to do it its doable
 
Dogburger said:
You can travel or retire anywhere you like Spindle . Nearly all countries have some sort of visa that permits travel and/or residency . Most of course need proof of means to support yourself and some require some sort of investment in the country . Lets face it you are not going to retire in the sun without capital

So if you want to do it its doable
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Unfortunately the world in general has tightened up on travel. The EU is only bringing itself in line with the USA and Canada and many other countries. Unlike some Brexiteers I don't see it as an attack on the UK, it's common sense.

I visited Thailand and although I did not need a visa they scanned my passport, took my photo and my fingerprints, if I wanted to stay longer then I needed a visa. I travel the world and this is all pretty much standard. Even in the EU some countries have now suspended some of the Schengen rules.

We are now in an era of Terrorism, illegal immigration and job protection. Countries imposing restrictions is actually the norm, for a few short decades things did loosen up but now they have gone back to the way it was except they are using technology more.
 
Dogburger said:
You can travel or retire anywhere you like Spindle . Nearly all countries have some sort of visa that permits travel and/or residency . Most of course need proof of means to support yourself and some require some sort of investment in the country . Lets face it you are not going to retire in the sun without capital

So if you want to do it its doable
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Yes you just apply for a visa each year.
Cyprus you need proof of ownership or rental property and 24k€ single or 28k€ as a pair annually. Not far short of a double pension for a pair and for a single I’m sure you could get a job.
 
Dogburger said:
You can travel or retire anywhere you like Spindle . Nearly all countries have some sort of visa that permits travel and/or residency . Most of course need proof of means to support yourself and some require some sort of investment in the country . Lets face it you are not going to retire in the sun without capital

So if you want to do it its doable
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Right. So it's now for the wealthy, rather than those who can just support themselves.

Genuinely, I'd like to spend some time on a sailboat, but the restrictions now are a pita
 
Golf Boy.

He said that he's been called a fascist on there. Neither of us come close, and he's actually more on the side of Palestinians even.
 
Dogburger said:
Some would say if you can support yourself you ARE wealthy 😉

But follow your dreams , regulations and restrictions are just another part of the challenge
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Why would any country allow you to reside there if you could not support yourself (apart from the UK) Freedom of movement for most people (not asylum seekers) has always been for the wealthy or people who had job skills that a country required.

When we were in the EU it was a huge in balance far more wanted to come to the UK then the other way around. And that is the basic problem.

I would be okay with a zone that contained the northern European countries like Germany, Holland, France. Scandinavia etc. In other words countries whose economies were largely the same. The issue is with the countries with low living standards and high unemployment, they don't want us because jobs are scarce but they want to export their people to the UK.
 
Peaches & Cream is a nice dessert. Which has about as much relevance to this thread as the last twenty or thirty postings from the rest of you feckers.

just make sure not to get any syrup on the tablecloth.
 
Spindle said:
Golf Boy.

He said that he's been called a fascist on there. Neither of us come close, and he's actually more on the side of Palestinians even.
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Ah, thanks. He always seemed a good poster but obviously you strayed off the straight and narrow(minded).You should read the Trump thread which is now about Charlie Kirk, it is unbelievable. A forum for debate, my backside
 
I'm putting this here as the article refers to harmony being disturbed if somebody who doesn't gel with the existing workforce is employed. So, somebody who doesn't 'fit in'...somebody where everybody else has to refrain from eating bacon sandwiches, for example...

Football fans can be rejected from job if they support rival team, judge says​

An employment judge has ruled that people can legally be rejected from a job if they support a rival football team to existing staff.

Judge Daniel Wright said employers were entitled to base recruitment choices on whether an incoming colleague could "damage office harmony" by not supporting the same team.

Wright ruled that a boss would not be breaking employment law if, for example, they were to turn down an application from a Tottenham fan because the office was full of Arsenal fans.

It came after a woman took legal action after she didn't get a job with a marketing agency because she didn't "vibe" with her interviewer.

Maia Kalina claimed she was the victim of discrimination because she wasn't outgoing and didn't enjoy going to the pub.

But Wright dismissed her claims and said employers had the right to consider whether a prospective employee would get on well with existing staff.

"There may be times when it is perfectly lawful for an employer to decide that somebody just will not be a fit with the team and that therefore it would be difficult to work together," he said.

"An example of this could be a small company where everybody who works in the office is an ardent supporter of Arsenal football club, and they decide to pick an Arsenal fan at interview over a similarly qualified Tottenham Hotspur season ticket holder because they do not want to damage the harmony of the office.

"The decision there would be lawful (albeit taking the example to the extreme would not necessarily be good for business).

And who is going to ever employ Millwall supporters?!!
 
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