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Has everybody seen this?

Lanzo-Ad said:
That is the only achievable goal we can attain, stay in the hardest league in the world, be sustainable and hope for a cup or one of the crappy lower European tournaments which start in July and cripple your squad.
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Even for fans whose expectations are as modest as ours it's a bit disappointing to see things laid out like that. But that doesn't make it any less true.
 
About half way through.

A big fan of Mr Parish. But I did have to yell at the YouTube as he had described that the only thing you can do to make being competitive easier under the FFP / PSR rules is to generate more income and the best way to do that is to increase capacity. This is the 12th season in the PL - why haven't you done it then!?

I know, Covid, building a stadium is complicated, planning etc. But there is a little bit of me that thinks it was Steve and fellow owners trying to over finesse or being complacent and being knocked off course because they didn't anticipate that crazy stuff like Covid and Inflation could come along and massively derail things. It's all very well begrudging Daniel Levy for building his stadium with finance at 1% - 2% but Palace could have been building then too and now they have to deal with 5%.

Sometimes you have to seize the moment and commit. A better deal may not be just around the corner. Also reflective in his transfer dealings. I hope Glasner has now demonstrated the folly of waiting until the transfer window closes instead of not having your squad ready for day one of the season. Seems like that cost us 10 points. (I know, I know, injuries, olympics etc)

But I have really enjoyed the first half of it, particularly his hypothesis that every other business has a profit imperative that drives it. Football has a winning imperative.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
i think the words, Planet and different describe your understanding of our position in the scheme of life
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Thanks OK, quite happy not to be on Planet Lanzo.
It's an obvious extrapolation from what he said. It would better to have the new stand by now.

And we can all remember CPFC 2010 launching with a lovely architect's drawing of a new stadium in Crystal Palace Park. He knew it was important then. He knows it is critical now.

The Americans could have funded it or arranged finance had they been supportive. And as I said I am a big fan of Steve Parish and believe he would have been able to progress it much faster if he had decided to.

His alternative strategy was to totally transform the academy. Which he has done. And he was clear that the stadium plans had taken a back seat while that was happening. There is only so much he could do.

The reasoning behind the academy investment was very clearly that it was going to be much better to 'grow your own' and given the football talent coming out of South London that was a reasonable aspiration. But with a couple of exceptions it hasn't worked out like that and there isn't a stream of youth players coming into the first team.

In this interview he was very clear that the Academy is less important now. His reasoning, for which he credits Brexit, is that it is a lot easier now to pick up players on the worldwide market.

So you don't believe had he put his energies into the new stadium first, instead of the academy, that he would have managed to progress it. I believe he would have done.
 
mileend said:
Thanks OK, quite happy not to be on Planet Lanzo.
It's an obvious extrapolation from what he said. It would better to have the new stand by now.

And we can all remember CPFC 2010 launching with a lovely architect's drawing of a new stadium in Crystal Palace Park. He knew it was important then. He knows it is critical now.

The Americans could have funded it or arranged finance had they been supportive. And as I said I am a big fan of Steve Parish and believe he would have been able to progress it much faster if he had decided to.

His alternative strategy was to totally transform the academy. Which he has done. And he was clear that the stadium plans had taken a back seat while that was happening. There is only so much he could do.

The reasoning behind the academy investment was very clearly that it was going to be much better to 'grow your own' and given the football talent coming out of South London that was a reasonable aspiration. But with a couple of exceptions it hasn't worked out like that and there isn't a stream of youth players coming into the first team.

In this interview he was very clear that the Academy is less important now. His reasoning, for which he credits Brexit, is that it is a lot easier now to pick up players on the worldwide market.

So you don't believe had he put his energies into the new stadium first, instead of the academy, that he would have managed to progress it. I believe he would have done.
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Are you aware of the complexity of building a new larger stand in a densely populated area like Selhurst Park. Acquiring additional land, if owners dont want to sell, then negotiations take time, planing needs to be sought from various parties.
Earlier you accused Parish of not planning for Covid, I dont think anyone Worldwide did. You are critical of the progress he has made for the club, which is naive if you look back at our history and what previous owners have done.
 
Painter said:
Are you aware of the complexity of building a new larger stand in a densely populated area like Selhurst Park. Acquiring additional land, if owners dont want to sell, then negotiations take time, planing needs to be sought from various parties.
Earlier you accused Parish of not planning for Covid, I dont think anyone Worldwide did. You are critical of the progress he has made for the club, which is naive if you look back at our history and what previous owners have done.
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I didn't say he should have planned for Covid. It was an example of the kind of scenarios that can happen if you hold off committing to a project. Inflation is another. Higher financing rates another. The conditions for development may not improve.

The original costing was £100m - now it's £160m before any work (other than some very necessary plumbing under the Holmesdale) has started. And the borrowed part of the money could have cost 1%-2% interest and now is more likely to be around 5%

Yes, these planning and builds are hugely complicated which is a reason for getting on with it not for putting it off. The strategy was the academy not the stadium. The academy looks incredible and is a great source of pride for the club and community and many young people's lives will be greatly enhanced by it - but it hasn't paid off commercially yet. Here's hoping it will yield the future stars of the first team.
 
mileend said:
I didn't say he should have planned for Covid. It was an example of the kind of scenarios that can happen if you hold off committing to a project. Inflation is another. Higher financing rates another. The conditions for development may not improve.

The original costing was £100m - now it's £160m before any work (other than some very necessary plumbing under the Holmesdale) has started. And the borrowed part of the money could have cost 1%-2% interest and now is more likely to be around 5%

Yes, these planning and builds are hugely complicated which is a reason for getting on with it not for putting it off. The strategy was the academy not the stadium. The academy looks incredible and is a great source of pride for the club and community and many young people's lives will be greatly enhanced by it - but it hasn't paid off commercially yet. Here's hoping it will yield the future stars of the first team.
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Did you not post this?

"they didn't anticipate that crazy stuff like Covid'
 
I've managed to finish watching this morning - mainly because it's wet and windy outside and, to coin a phrase from Thomas Crown, I had nothing else to do on a Sunday morning.

It reinforced my view that Mr Parish is one of the best football chairmen there are, and those who think otherwise don't understand the complexities or the variety of skills required for the job. He always comes across as a bloke who is highly competent and is an absolutely perfect fit for our club. He has a clear vision and demonstrates an enthusiasm to achieve it.

All in all it was an interesting chat with Peter McCormack, who I confess I knew nothing about. So, the guy is into Bitcoin and that part of the conversation was illuminating to say the least. As chairman of Bedford FC, which he amusingly renamed Real Bedford he has much in common with Mr P.
 
mileend said:
Thanks OK, quite happy not to be on Planet Lanzo.
It's an obvious extrapolation from what he said. It would better to have the new stand by now.

And we can all remember CPFC 2010 launching with a lovely architect's drawing of a new stadium in Crystal Palace Park. He knew it was important then. He knows it is critical now.

The Americans could have funded it or arranged finance had they been supportive. And as I said I am a big fan of Steve Parish and believe he would have been able to progress it much faster if he had decided to.

His alternative strategy was to totally transform the academy. Which he has done. And he was clear that the stadium plans had taken a back seat while that was happening. There is only so much he could do.

The reasoning behind the academy investment was very clearly that it was going to be much better to 'grow your own' and given the football talent coming out of South London that was a reasonable aspiration. But with a couple of exceptions it hasn't worked out like that and there isn't a stream of youth players coming into the first team.

In this interview he was very clear that the Academy is less important now. His reasoning, for which he credits Brexit, is that it is a lot easier now to pick up players on the worldwide market.

So you don't believe had he put his energies into the new stadium first, instead of the academy, that he would have managed to progress it. I believe he would have done.
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The only thing I would say is that an academy of a certain standard is now compulsory in the PL rather than a nice to have, so he can be excused for investing there at that time.

What has compounded the lack of progression in my opinion is the massive rise in building costs post Covid. The price must have almost doubled in 5 years.
 
Eaglecoops said:
The only thing I would say is that an academy of a certain standard is now compulsory in the PL rather than a nice to have, so he can be excused for investing there at that time.

What has compounded the lack of progression in my opinion is the massive rise in building costs post Covid. The price must have almost doubled in 5 years.
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As a pure business decision I can see why the club hasn’t built a new stand. It would increase the capacity a bit but not by loads meaning it is very unlikely to pay back.
 
JHB said:
As a pure business decision I can see why the club hasn’t built a new stand. It would increase the capacity a bit but not by loads meaning it is very unlikely to pay back.
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I agree, a few hundred thousand extra income per match is only going to scratch the surface of a £180m development. It does add value to the club overall however come sale time.
 
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