Grooming gangs

[Spindle]

Applying sharia law in England and Wales: independent review

A 2018 Home Office independent review by Professor Mona Siddiqui confirmed the operation of Sharia councils in the UK estimating 30–85 councils with the first established in 1982.

Exactly. You have to be pretty green to not realise this is going on

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

which suggests to me.....

a) said 14 year old girl would be less likely to be a victim, if she was more savvy.

b) the men in the rape-gang photos......they would all benefit for a 2 hour civics class with a liberal teacher. And maybe begin to behave themselves going forwards.


Are you on drugs Wisbech ?

The answer is not Education, The answer is a bloody scary punishment. That , and Only that might work.

I abhor drugs.

The answer is both punishment that deters and education that changes attitudes.

The education is to ensure future generations do not need to be deterred.

We cannot allow any section of our society to hold beliefs that run counter to our core values. Freedom of speech and of belief are fundamental rights but not when they threaten us.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Applying sharia law in England and Wales: independent review

A 2018 Home Office independent review by Professor Mona Siddiqui confirmed the operation of Sharia councils in the UK estimating 30–85 councils with the first established in 1982.

I suggest you actually read the report. Which says exactly what I said Sharia means in the UK. Which isn’t what it is in Muslim countries. It isn’t the law. Only our law is the law.

There are councils which are used by Muslims to assist in dispute resolution. Just as anyone can use a conciliator to help them.

The report highlights the widespread misconceptions around them. Which clearly still exist.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It may not be allowed to issue the death penalty or throw gays off roofs but relation to relation marriage and women to cover up is probably high on their agendas!

It has no legal status and any ruling has to be mutually acceptable.

That we need to ensure that all parties understand that and have the strength and necessary support to reject things they don’t agree with is true, but is a separate challenge. It isn’t the law.

 

[cryrst]

It has no legal status and any ruling has to be mutually acceptable.

That we need to ensure that all parties understand that and have the strength and necessary support to reject things they don’t agree with is true, but is a separate challenge. It isn’t the law.

Oh I see!
And you believe that they don’t see sharia as their law then do you?
Look the families of groomers, even when they obviously knew it was going on didn’t say a word because of the Muslim ‘way’ !

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Oh I see!
And you believe that they don’t see sharia as their law then do you?
Look the families of groomers, even when they obviously knew it was going on didn’t say a word because of the Muslim ‘way’ !

What they see doesn’t change the law and any that do regard Sharia as superior need to be disavowed of that belief. Starting with the schools so future generations don’t grow up believing it. There ought be no compromise over it and religious influence banned from all education as a first step.

To my mind this is much more important trawling over the past and seeking scapegoats for failures. We cannot change the past but we can improve the future.

 

[Spindle]

What they see doesn’t change the law and any that do regard Sharia as superior need to be disavowed of that belief. Starting with the schools so future generations don’t grow up believing it. There ought be no compromise over it and religious influence banned from all education as a first step.

To my mind this is much more important trawling over the past and seeking scapegoats for failures. We cannot change the past but we can improve the future.

That isn't going to happen as long as there are wet blankets sympathising, defending and fighting for them. It's getting worse as they grow their number too.

 

[cryrst]

What they see doesn’t change the law and any that do regard Sharia as superior need to be disavowed of that belief. Starting with the schools so future generations don’t grow up believing it. There ought be no compromise over it and religious influence banned from all education as a first step.

To my mind this is much more important trawling over the past and seeking scapegoats for failures. We cannot change the past but we can improve the future.

Word salad yet again with no direct response about the substance of the post being replied to. Christianity is 500 years older than Islam. That is the timeline you are waiting on for change to their mentality about Islam. Even though the Muslims living the qoran know full well lots of it is wrong, with no excuses not to change their thoughts with all of the tech and communication of knowledge about reality and expectations that we now have. They don’t want to change !

 

[HKOwen]

Word salad yet again with no direct response about the substance of the post being replied to. Christianity is 500 years older than Islam. That is the timeline you are waiting on for change to their mentality about Islam. Even though the Muslims living the qoran know full well lots of it is wrong, with no excuses not to change their thoughts with all of the tech and communication of knowledge about reality and expectations that we now have. They don’t want to change !

load of drivel designed to show some kind of sage wisdom from someone better than all of us , when in fact the opposite is the case.

If you engage you get more of the same fecal matter, best to ignore an deprive of the attention he craves

 

[Badger11]

That isn't going to happen as long as there are wet blankets sympathising, defending and fighting for them. It's getting worse as they grow their number too.

To be a good "Muslim" you have to buy into all of the the basic tenants, you cannot pick or choose or amend. Sharia law is how they police Muslim behaviour.

In many ways there is a lot to like. I am all for harsh sentences against criminals. In Saudi Arabia market stall holders leave there stuff out to go to pray, unprotected. Nobody steals it because they know the consequences you will lose your hand or your head.

Anyway the idea that you can educate people away from Sharia law isn't going to work as they see it as part of being a Muslim. And what does liberal western law offer in return? Soft sentences! Yeah that's going to go down well.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

What they see doesn’t change the law and any that do regard Sharia as superior need to be disavowed of that belief. Starting with the schools so future generations don’t grow up believing it. There ought be no compromise over it and religious influence banned from all education as a first step.

To my mind this is much more important trawling over the past and seeking scapegoats for failures. We cannot change the past but we can improve the future.

Great. And what's the benefit to us as a country from all this? Apart from children being abused on a less regular basis.

 

[HKOwen]

To be a good "Muslim" you have to buy into all of the the basic tenants, you cannot pick or choose or amend. Sharia law is how they police Muslim behaviour.

In many ways there is a lot to like. I am all for harsh sentences against criminals. In Saudi Arabia market stall holders leave there stuff out to go to pray, unprotected. Nobody steals it because they know the consequences you will lose your hand or your head.

Anyway the idea that you can educate people away from Sharia law isn't going to work as they see it as part of being a Muslim. And what does liberal western law offer in return? Soft sentences! Yeah that's going to go down well.

Corporal punishment would I really believe put a stop to a lot of offences and not take up jail space.

Personally I would stream it to hear the screams of the tough guys but for many that a bridge too far I know

 

[Badger11]

Corporal punishment would I really believe put a stop to a lot of offences and not take up jail space.

Personally I would stream it to hear the screams of the tough guys but for many that a bridge too far I know

We need to do something. The liberal justice system has not worked we have a criminal underclass who don't see prison as a threat, assuming that the judge can be bothered to send them there.

I'm not sure what the answer is but soft sentences is not working.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That isn't going to happen as long as there are wet blankets sympathising, defending and fighting for them. It's getting worse as they grow their number too.

I don’t see anyone at all, however they are described by others, defending or fighting for them. The only defending and fighting is of those whose job it is to stop their criminal activities and care for their victims.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Word salad yet again with no direct response about the substance of the post being replied to. Christianity is 500 years older than Islam. That is the timeline you are waiting on for change to their mentality about Islam. Even though the Muslims living the qoran know full well lots of it is wrong, with no excuses not to change their thoughts with all of the tech and communication of knowledge about reality and expectations that we now have. They don’t want to change !

That is obviously not the timeline. We need action now, and with the pace of change in the modern world there is no reason to be so pessimistic and defeatist.

We teach the current and future generations our values and expectations and deny them school time access to anything else. We restrain any alternative teaching in places of worship by locking up those who do it under hate law legislation, forcing it underground. The youngsters, being as intelligent as any others, will see the values they have been taught as part of the modern world they are part of and reject the world described by the elders. They would argue, whereas in the past they would just accept.

In the meantime we detect, punish and deter any whose attitudes and beliefs permit them to commit crimes, especially sex crimes involving children, with vigour and determination.

It requires a change of mindset on our behalf which recognises where the real problem resides and what the real solution must be.

 

[becky]

Corporal punishment would I really believe put a stop to a lot of offences and not take up jail space.

Personally I would stream it to hear the screams of the tough guys but for many that a bridge too far I know

Well, if under Sharia Law you get your hand chopped off for stealing, the equivalent punishment to fit the crime of raping under-age girls would certainly ensure that it wasn't repeated........

it would either stop the rape gangs in their tracks, or they would simply kill the girls afterwards so they couldn't identify the perpetrators.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

To be a good "Muslim" you have to buy into all of the the basic tenants, you cannot pick or choose or amend. Sharia law is how they police Muslim behaviour.

In many ways there is a lot to like. I am all for harsh sentences against criminals. In Saudi Arabia market stall holders leave there stuff out to go to pray, unprotected. Nobody steals it because they know the consequences you will lose your hand or your head.

Anyway the idea that you can educate people away from Sharia law isn't going to work as they see it as part of being a Muslim. And what does liberal western law offer in return? Soft sentences! Yeah that's going to go down well.

Why is it necessary to educate people away from Sharia if it produces positive outcomes?

It’s only to ensure it isn’t interpreted to produce the kind of negative outcomes we are talking about that we need to change the education system and to emphasise that it isn’t law in the UK, just a voluntary moral guidebook.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Great. And what's the benefit to us as a country from all this? Apart from children being abused on a less regular basis.

It would get to the root of the problem and rather than reducing abuse, which is what we are now doing, would remove the reason it exists.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It would get to the root of the problem and rather than reducing abuse, which is what we are now doing, would remove the reason it exists.

That gets us back to where we were. Where's the benefit?

 

[DanH]

Corporal punishment would I really believe put a stop to a lot of offences and not take up jail space.

Personally I would stream it to hear the screams of the tough guys but for many that a bridge too far I know

Just a really lovely, pleasant person aren’t you Owen.