Glasner, Part 2

[viveasheagle]

I think in Glasner favour is that although we played great football at the end of last season, he has adapted the way we play after our poor start and has been able to grind out results. You know with Brentford they are going to turn up and be organised and look to stifle how the oppostion play. They have a good front 3 as well and although we kept Mbeumo quite Schade scored a good header and Wisse has some reasonable attempts. I think Man U will suit our style a lot more and are a team that may or may not turn up whereas we will.

 

[JHB]

What about Mateta?

Mateta is why I said we have a good striker.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

For me Munoz, Henderson, Lacroix, Guehi, Eze and Mateta are top class players, including the injured Wharton and Doucoure.
Mitchell, Richards, Lerma, Hughes, Sarr and Nketiah are very good players.
This is obviously only my opinion, along with my other opinion that Glasner is an AI manager with limited tactical ability, my opinion only, let’s wait and see what happens in the rest of the season, IMO only, the players we have should be used better.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Although i am not advocating his immediate dismissal from the managers job, i still am not sure he is the correct manager for us,

that Latin-American cocaine must be very pure down there Lanzo.

 

[park the bus]

that Latin-American cocaine must be very pure down there Lanzo.

It's the bottom shelf cheapo sherry

 

[Willo]

In 3 of his 4 managerial jobs, the longest Glasner has spent at a club is nigh on 2 years.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

i sort of agree to an extent. OG was the level head we needed last year and by the end of the season we were fantastic. OG seems a really nice, calm guy and i certainly don't like the hire and fire circus that elite football has become.

Whilst this season was always going to be harder and the impact of 9 or so players not having a proper summer break cannot be under estimated. However, his stubbornness to stick to the same formation, regardless of opposition, injuries etc has not helped.

The comment that we essentially have 3 attacking players and 7 defenders is not far off the mark.

The 3421 formation does seem to suit us away from home more than at home and we have struggled to score and win at home all season.

Away from home the players seem to get it and we are now quite hard to beat, albeit the football is not always great.

Personally i thought Frank and Brentford was quite innovative a few years ago when he often played 4 at the back at home and 5 away (he does it less often now though i notice).

I do think maybe that would suit us more and get the most out of Eze, however, OG won't change anytime soon.

I don't think either of the points in bold are particularly accurate.

We do regularly shift our shape in-game depending on the circumstance - the obvious one on Sunday was when he changed Richards for Esse and went to a back four, but we also spent a lot of the game prior to that in a 4-4-2 out of possession;

Henderson
Richards Lacroix Guehi Mitchell
Munoz Hughes Lerma Eze
Sarr Mateta

Just because our line-up 'on paper' doesn't show that, it doesn't mean we don't spend a big portion of the game in that shape.

Similarly, I don't like this idea that 'attacking' and 'defending' players are determined by Sky Sports telling us where they're playing at the start of the match - Mitchell, and Munoz in particular, are part of our attack - their numbers in chance creation, shots etc. are comparable to attacking wingers.

When Trent and Robertson were turning out 15 assists a season in Klopp's Liverpool team, they were very much part of the attacking unit.

 

[rob1969]

You have to remember that we're playing with a championship left back and Eze who has been utterly dire all season even before the injury. Thats leaving us with only one decent side of the pitch. Drop Eze for a bit and find out why he looks like he can't be bothered and finally get in a good left back and Im convinced we'll look ten times better.

Unfair on Mitchell who is probably one of the best LBs in the league. What we do not have is an accomplished LWB ! Horses for courses.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

It's the bottom shelf cheapo sherry

If drink red i would tend to go for the D.O Rioja Cune crianza or white of course Malvasía Volcánica Yaiza Blanco Seco, and for beer, Peroni, even though it is Italian

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[Lanzo-Ad]

that Latin-American cocaine must be very pure down there Lanzo.

The Venezuelan is a smooth as silk, or so i am told.

 

[NEILLO]

I don't think either of the points in bold are particularly accurate.

We do regularly shift our shape in-game depending on the circumstance - the obvious one on Sunday was when he changed Richards for Esse and went to a back four, but we also spent a lot of the game prior to that in a 4-4-2 out of possession;

Henderson
Richards Lacroix Guehi Mitchell
Munoz Hughes Lerma Eze
Sarr Mateta

Just because our line-up 'on paper' doesn't show that, it doesn't mean we don't spend a big portion of the game in that shape.

Similarly, I don't like this idea that 'attacking' and 'defending' players are determined by Sky Sports telling us where they're playing at the start of the match - Mitchell, and Munoz in particular, are part of our attack - their numbers in chance creation, shots etc. are comparable to attacking wingers.

When Trent and Robertson were turning out 15 assists a season in Klopp's Liverpool team, they were very much part of the attacking unit.

You may have noticed that some people recognise the oppositions change in shape during games but fail to see our own team doing that as well.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

You may have noticed that some people recognise the oppositions change in shape during games but fail to see our own team doing that as well.

That's because we don't until the last 5mins, Personnel not Tactics, perhaps Ollie thinks they are Mints

 

[NEILLO]

That's because we don't until the last 5mins, Personnel not Tactics, perhaps Ollie thinks they are Mints

And that’s just another example of your failure to recognise team shapes in and out of possession.

 

[Palacesince64]

That's because we don't until the last 5mins, Personnel not Tactics, perhaps Ollie thinks they are Mints

You were doing so well for a short time Lanzo but now you’re back in doom and gloom mode. Be honest, have you stopped taking your meds?

 

[NMPalace]

I don't think either of the points in bold are particularly accurate.

We do regularly shift our shape in-game depending on the circumstance - the obvious one on Sunday was when he changed Richards for Esse and went to a back four, but we also spent a lot of the game prior to that in a 4-4-2 out of possession;

Henderson
Richards Lacroix Guehi Mitchell
Munoz Hughes Lerma Eze
Sarr Mateta

Just because our line-up 'on paper' doesn't show that, it doesn't mean we don't spend a big portion of the game in that shape.

Similarly, I don't like this idea that 'attacking' and 'defending' players are determined by Sky Sports telling us where they're playing at the start of the match - Mitchell, and Munoz in particular, are part of our attack - their numbers in chance creation, shots etc. are comparable to attacking wingers.

When Trent and Robertson were turning out 15 assists a season in Klopp's Liverpool team, they were very much part of the attacking unit.

changing the formation with say 10 to 20 minutes to go when we are losing is not really "spending a big portion of the game in that shape" IMHO.

Do we ever NOT start with the same formation every game and change the shape in the 1st half of a game? The answer is no. How many 1st half goals have we scored this season? Very few. These are the facts.

Comparing us to Liverpool is like a bit rich. Trent is a one off and they have VVD to mop up when the full backs charge forward. Every week people slag off Mitchell's inability to be attack minded (not me BTW) yet you include him as an example of our attacking flair.

Clearly football is all about opinions.

I'm not anti OG i'm just slightly disappointed we haven't pushed on this season and personally i'm not enjoying the football

 

[CPFCSaturn]

changing the formation with say 10 to 20 minutes to go when we are losing is not really "spending a big portion of the game in that shape" IMHO.

Do we ever NOT start with the same formation every game and change the shape in the 1st half of a game? The answer is no. How many 1st half goals have we scored this season? Very few. These are the facts.

Comparing us to Liverpool is like a bit rich. Trent is a one off and they have VVD to mop up when the full backs charge forward. Every week people slag off Mitchell's inability to be attack minded (not me BTW) yet you include him as an example of our attacking flair.

Clearly football is all about opinions.

I'm not anti OG i'm just slightly disappointed we haven't pushed on this season and personally i'm not enjoying the football

We changed formation in-game throughout on Sunday - that's the big portion of the game I mentioned, not the late subs.

That's not a fact - the answer is yes, we do regularly change shape in the 1st half of a game.

I haven't compared us to Liverpool at all - I've disproved the idea that a wing back can't be a major part of a team's attack.

I can't speak to others opinion on Mitchell, but he ranks in the top 5 for big chances created by defenders this season - he's level with the likes of Rogers, Semenyo, Savinho and Mitoma. I think we'd all agree they are attacking players.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

And that’s just another example of your failure to recognise team shapes in and out of possession.

Its all about opinions, some people can look at a Cezanne, Klimt or a hieronymus bosch, (they are Painters by the way) and see a Masterpiece and some see a load of rubbish, Opinions

 

[MrRobbo]

changing the formation with say 10 to 20 minutes to go when we are losing is not really "spending a big portion of the game in that shape" IMHO.

Do we ever NOT start with the same formation every game and change the shape in the 1st half of a game? The answer is no. How many 1st half goals have we scored this season? Very few. These are the facts.

Comparing us to Liverpool is like a bit rich. Trent is a one off and they have VVD to mop up when the full backs charge forward. Every week people slag off Mitchell's inability to be attack minded (not me BTW) yet you include him as an example of our attacking flair.

Clearly football is all about opinions.

I'm not anti OG i'm just slightly disappointed we haven't pushed on this season and personally i'm not enjoying the football

Mitchell doesn't have 'attacking flair', but the stats at least show that he contributes, more than most on this forum will give him credit for.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

You were doing so well for a short time Lanzo but now you’re back in doom and gloom mode. Be honest, have you stopped taking your meds?

my signature says it all, good old Aleister.

 

[NEILLO]

Its all about opinions, some people can look at a Cezanne, Klimt or a hieronymus bosch, (they are Painters by the way) and see a Masterpiece and some see a load of rubbish, Opinions

You stick to your opinions because you struggle with facts