Glasner Out

[samprior]

We can debate whether Parish is at fault for lack of signings and selling players or Glasner is at fault for not giving certain players a chance but we can all agree that Glasner’s behaviour the other day was not normal. There’s definitely a pattern to his behaviour when he is upset after losing a match. His rant’s demonstrate a loss of control over his emotions.
As someone who worked in brain rehabilitation and regularly dealt with patients who had suffered significant brain injuries it’s a behaviour I’ve seen many times before. Perhaps I’m wide of the mark and he’s just an arrogant pr*ck like Lanzo says, but I do find myself wondering if his extreme behaviour is a consequence of the serious brain injury he sustained which ended his playing career. It’s been a recurring theme throughout his managerial career. It’s fairly typical of patients who have sustained head injuries. We all are capable of extreme or inappropriate behaviour when upset but our frontal lobes kick in and prevent us from saying and doing things we might later regret. Brain injuries of the sort he sustained impact the frontal lobes more than anything and impair our ability to apply the brakes. The impact can be lifelong and significantly harm relationships at home and at work.
If my suspicion is correct then Glasner will be aware that he has this tendency and may even have discussed it with Parish who is a decent guy and will cut him some slack as he seems to have done. He’s lucky to have an understanding boss. Sadly that won’t always happen.

Thanks for sharing. A very interesting perspective.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Sorry but I missed that opinion poll - link?

Whilst the results haven't gone our way esp. Macclesfield FC and a couple of the Conference League sides, it is obvious that last summer's transfer window was underwhelming (courtesy of seemingly prioritising attention towards Europa League court battle) and we have a squad that does lack depth to compete across ALL formats. When we are having to field 16 year olds (irrespective of their emerging talent) into key games due to increasing number of injuries as well as player exhaustion, then there is something wrong in the preparation for this arguably defining season given the fresh opportunities for development presented to Glasner and club courtesy of FA cup win.

I have a friend who is a football professional. Not though a player. I saw him yesterday and we chatted about the situation at Palace. He made much the same kind of points you do and was taken aback when I pointed out that Palace don’t spend more than they earn. It’s how they have survived in the PL for so long and gradually grown to first being in cup finals and now winning one. They don’t have boundless resources or money trees. We all have “opportunities” presented to us. They are never in short supply. They don’t though need to be chased. They need to be milked.

 

[cryrst]

We can debate whether Parish is at fault for lack of signings and selling players or Glasner is at fault for not giving certain players a chance but we can all agree that Glasner’s behaviour the other day was not normal. There’s definitely a pattern to his behaviour when he is upset after losing a match. His rant’s demonstrate a loss of control over his emotions.
As someone who worked in brain rehabilitation and regularly dealt with patients who had suffered significant brain injuries it’s a behaviour I’ve seen many times before. Perhaps I’m wide of the mark and he’s just an arrogant pr*ck like Lanzo says, but I do find myself wondering if his extreme behaviour is a consequence of the serious brain injury he sustained which ended his playing career. It’s been a recurring theme throughout his managerial career. It’s fairly typical of patients who have sustained head injuries. We all are capable of extreme or inappropriate behaviour when upset but our frontal lobes kick in and prevent us from saying and doing things we might later regret. Brain injuries of the sort he sustained impact the frontal lobes more than anything and impair our ability to apply the brakes. The impact can be lifelong and significantly harm relationships at home and at work.
If my suspicion is correct then Glasner will be aware that he has this tendency and may even have discussed it with Parish who is a decent guy and will cut him some slack as he seems to have done. He’s lucky to have an understanding boss. Sadly that won’t always happen.

This is quite concerning in reality.
I fear for OG as he has mental health issues which as you describe are not normal. One day he may wake up and realise the damage he created around himself and go further. I think he needs help and keeping him on the stage might not be the sensible move from SP.

 

[Spindle]

Only takes one match to burn a thousands trees.

I don't think anyone will accuse this football manager of playing kids

 

[PatrickA]

We've been playing Glasner's system for the best part of two years.
The system is planned to the nth degree in terms of where players should be on the pitch at any given time.
Team shape, when to press, patterns of play.
For the vast majority of the time it has got results.
Some on here say opposition teams have worked us out so it's no longer as effective.
To an extent possibly, but I believe it's more to do with the absence of key players, and furthermore the absence of squad players to slot into the system in the absence of the key players.

With the above in mind, I see it as an unnecessary risk for Glasner to go now UNLESS the relationship has irretrievably broken down.
Paddy McCarthy is a Palace man, but without meaning to be insulting he's basically the 'bibs and cones ' man in Glasner's setup, whose main role seems to be getting in the ear of the fourth official.
I don't view him as a suitable candidate even for the rest of the season taking into account Glasner's staff would probably go to.
It's time for head over heart, and what is most likely to achieve results for the rest of the season and to me Glasner looks the best option at the moment.
If results pick up people will be less concerned with what he says.
It's the nature of the game.

 

[Paul Salvage]

We've been playing Glasner's system for the best part of two years.
The system is planned to the nth degree in terms of where players should be on the pitch at any given time.
Team shape, when to press, patterns of play.
For the vast majority of the time it has got results.
Some on here say opposition teams have worked us out so it's no longer as effective.
To an extent possibly, but I believe it's more to do with the absence of key players, and furthermore the absence of squad players to slot into the system in the absence of the key players.

With the above in mind, I see it as an unnecessary risk for Glasner to go now UNLESS the relationship has irretrievably broken down.
Paddy McCarthy is a Palace man, but without meaning to be insulting he's basically the 'bibs and cones ' man in Glasner's setup, whose main role seems to be getting in the ear of the fourth official.
I don't view him as a suitable candidate even for the rest of the season taking into account Glasner's staff would probably go to.
It's time for head over heart, and what is most likely to achieve results for the rest of the season and to me Glasner looks the best option at the moment.
If results pick up people will be less concerned with what he says.
It's the nature of the game.

I’m now coming round to the same way of thinking. My instant response was one of anger and dismay. OG has seriously stepped over the line with his outburst, however if he is accepting that it was a mistake to go public and the relationship with SP is amicable then let him turn the season around.
This buys us a bit of time, but if after a few more games we are still p!ss poor or a further outburst then get rid. We will know on Sunday if he still has the teams backing!

 

[elgin eeagle]

We've been playing Glasner's system for the best part of two years.
The system is planned to the nth degree in terms of where players should be on the pitch at any given time.
Team shape, when to press, patterns of play.
For the vast majority of the time it has got results.
Some on here say opposition teams have worked us out so it's no longer as effective.
To an extent possibly, but I believe it's more to do with the absence of key players, and furthermore the absence of squad players to slot into the system in the absence of the key players.

With the above in mind, I see it as an unnecessary risk for Glasner to go now UNLESS the relationship has irretrievably broken down.
Paddy McCarthy is a Palace man, but without meaning to be insulting he's basically the 'bibs and cones ' man in Glasner's setup, whose main role seems to be getting in the ear of the fourth official.
I don't view him as a suitable candidate even for the rest of the season taking into account Glasner's staff would probably go to.
It's time for head over heart, and what is most likely to achieve results for the rest of the season and to me Glasner looks the best option at the moment.
If results pick up people will be less concerned with what he says.
It's the nature of the game.

It's an interesting counter argument why he should stay. I just thought it was massively disrespectful to not use the subs when chasing the game on Saturday. And the less said about Macclesfield the better. I did think after the club saying they were sticking with him it might have been an attempt to call his bluff if he had something else lined up, but it seems he isn't up for resigning if he isn't getting a pay off. It must be so demotivating for the fringe players knowing he only plays them when he has to due to injuries.

Personally I'd be looking to cut the cord now and get someone in with 2 weeks of the window left.

 

[eritheagle]

I’m now coming round to the same way of thinking. My instant response was one of anger and dismay. OG has seriously stepped over the line with his outburst, however if he is accepting that it was a mistake to go public and the relationship with SP is amicable then let him turn the season around.
This buys us a bit of time, but if after a few more games we are still p!ss poor or a further outburst then get rid. We will know on Sunday if he still has the teams backing!

I don’t think it is amicable. As the Peterborough chairman said earlier on ssn Parish has played a blinder by not sacking him. Kinda says to glasner “you’re not getting a payout” so if he wants out then he’ll have to quit. But if he wants to stay he better do well otherwise his stock will not be very high when he wants that big club job in the summer.

 

[elgin eeagle]

I don’t think it is amicable. As the Peterborough chairman said earlier on ssn Parish has played a blinder by not sacking him. Kinda says to glasner “you’re not getting a payout” so if he wants out then he’ll have to quit. But if he wants to stay he better do well otherwise his stock will not be very high when he wants that big club job in the summer.

He'll probably get us to the Conference League Final then play the under 10s in it.

 

[cjh97]

We've been playing Glasner's system for the best part of two years.
The system is planned to the nth degree in terms of where players should be on the pitch at any given time.
Team shape, when to press, patterns of play.
For the vast majority of the time it has got results.
Some on here say opposition teams have worked us out so it's no longer as effective.
To an extent possibly, but I believe it's more to do with the absence of key players, and furthermore the absence of squad players to slot into the system in the absence of the key players.

With the above in mind, I see it as an unnecessary risk for Glasner to go now UNLESS the relationship has irretrievably broken down.
Paddy McCarthy is a Palace man, but without meaning to be insulting he's basically the 'bibs and cones ' man in Glasner's setup, whose main role seems to be getting in the ear of the fourth official.
I don't view him as a suitable candidate even for the rest of the season taking into account Glasner's staff would probably go to.
It's time for head over heart, and what is most likely to achieve results for the rest of the season and to me Glasner looks the best option at the moment.
If results pick up people will be less concerned with what he says.
It's the nature of the game.

I get where you’re coming from, and I agree with some of that in principle. The system has worked for long spells and, when key players are fit, it can still be very effective. I’m not disputing Glasner’s coaching ability or that the structure itself is well-drilled.

Where I disagree is that the current problems are mainly about personnel rather than leadership. Injuries and squad depth matter, of course, but every mid-table club deals with that. The concern for me is that Glasner hasn’t shown much flexibility when those absences occur. The system is so rigid that when one or two key players are missing, the whole thing falls apart, and there’s little evidence of adaptation.

On the “teams have worked us out” point, I think there’s some truth in that combined with the lack of rotation and tactical tweaks. When you play the same way week in, week out, with minimal changes, opposition analysts eventually catch up. That’s not a Palace-only issue, but it’s on the manager to evolve things.

As for Paddy McCarthy, I’m not suggesting he’s some tactical mastermind or long-term solution. It would be a caretaker appointment purely to stabilise the dressing room and remove the noise. At the moment, the bigger risk to me isn’t tactics – it’s the distraction and erosion of trust caused by the manager’s public behaviour. If the relationship between manager, board and players is fractured, no system will function properly anyway.

You’re right that if results pick up, people will care less about what he says. That’s always the way. But equally, if the mood around the club continues to deteriorate, results rarely follow. My concern is that Glasner looks mentally checked out, and history suggests once a manager gets to that point, it rarely turns around.

So for me it’s not heart over head – it’s deciding which risk is greater: sticking with a manager who may still get short-term results but appears disengaged, or taking a short-term hit to reset the atmosphere. Right now, I’m leaning towards the latter.

 

[Linford]

Its obvious the manager has to be told at the earliest opportunity when a member of his squad is leaving. Thats the only involvement he needs to have.
As far as sourcing a replacement thats an incoming transfer. nothing to do with the player thats leaving

Can’t identify a “replacement” if you don’t know someone is to need replacing.

 

[Eaglecoops]

This is an utterly bizarre situation. How on earth can the fans continue to support a manager who has confirmed half way through a season that he doesn’t want to be at the club, that criticises the board and the players, that refuses to alter tactics or make substitutions simply because he is trying to make a point and is apparently totally indifferent to being sacked by the club before the end of the season.

How the hell are we supposed to do any work in the transfer market when incoming players don’t know who they will be playing for manager wise and indeed why would they consider joining a club that has obvious internal friction.

Just my opinion but I am absolutely furious with Glasner. He has basically made this all about him and it is totally derailing our season.

Parish is just being Parish as normal and he is playing the game with Glasner but this could be a dangerous tactic.

I reckon he is waiting to see if there is an upturn in results with the return of Munoz and Sarr before pulling the trigger.

If things don’t improve and the poor results continue however, let’s hope it’s not left too late to make the change. As someone else posted, regardless of the current unusual circumstances, no win in 14/15 games probably gets you sacked whatever.

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

All Glasner had to do was keep tight lipped and wait for the missing players to come back then walk away in the Summer, but he couldn’t manage that. The fans deserve better than what he and Parish have orchestrated so far.

Without the fans the club is nothing……

 

[PalacePoet]

This is an utterly bizarre situation. How on earth can the fans continue to support a manager who has confirmed half way through a season that he doesn’t want to be at the club, that criticises the board and the players, that refuses to alter tactics or make substitutions simply because he is trying to make a point and is apparently totally indifferent to being sacked by the club before the end of the season.

How the hell are we supposed to do any work in the transfer market when incoming players don’t know who they will be playing for manager wise and indeed why would they consider joining a club that has obvious internal friction.

Just my opinion but I am absolutely furious with Glasner. He has basically made this all about him and it is totally derailing our season.

Parish is just being Parish as normal and he is playing the game with Glasner but this could be a dangerous tactic.

I reckon he is waiting to see if there is an upturn in results with the return of Munoz and Sarr before pulling the trigger.

If things don’t improve and the poor results continue however, let’s hope it’s not left too late to make the change. As someone else posted, regardless of the current unusual circumstances, no win in 14/15 games probably gets you sacked whatever.

Well I am not proud to say "I called it" when I started this thread. It was pretty plain what was happening and i find it hard to understand the "Board" didnt realise this themselves. Surely they did not want this, how it has now all unfolded!?

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Well I am not proud to say "I called it" when I started this thread. It was pretty plain what was happening and i find it hard to understand the "Board" didnt realise this themselves. Surely they did not want this, how it has now all unfolded!?

To be fair, when you originally called for Glasner to go your reasons did not include borderline gross misconduct, as has happened since.

I disagreed with you before Saturday. I would have been happy to stick with him until the summer and let him leave through the front door with his head held high. I would still be of the same view if not for Glasners subsequent unforgivable and selfish conduct. Looking at the thread overall it's noticeable how many people feel similarly.

For many, he's gone from having our support despite disappointing performances and results, to having our anger for reasons largely unrelated to those things.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I understand there has been a high-level meeting with The Board and the HF, over which direction to take. Many big decisions were based on the fact the next display was almost finished, so sacking Glasner would have undone a lot of good work.
There is another meeting scheduled after Sunday's game, with a view to moving the HF directly behind the dugout.
Dugout: what an apt term 😀

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I understand there has been a high-level meeting with The Board and the HF, over which direction to take. Many big decisions were based on the fact the next display was almost finished, so sacking Glasner would have undone a lot of good work.
There is another meeting scheduled after Sunday's game.

Black tie event? Bring own drum.

 

[Willo]

To be fair, when you originally called for Glasner to go your reasons did not include borderline gross misconduct, as has happened since.

I disagreed with you before Saturday. I would have been happy to stick with him until the summer and let him leave through the front door with his head held high. I would still be of the same view if not for Glasners subsequent unforgivable and selfish conduct. Looking at the thread overall it's noticeable how many people feel similarly.

For many, he's gone from having our support despite disappointing performances and results, to having our anger for reasons largely unrelated to those things.

Most certainly this encapsulates the views on the esteemed HOL. If this spreads to the ground and supporters make their views known as we are 'Put to the sword' by our opponents, such a reaction usually signals the end for the manager.
Bobby Robson at Barcelona received the dreaded 'White Handkerchief' treatment and he was relieved of his duties in short order. Perhaps someone will make a 'Pretty Penny' selling white handkerchiefs on Sunday !!

 

[mileend]

Most certainly this encapsulates the views on the esteemed HOL. If this spreads to the ground and supporters make their views known as we are 'Put to the sword' by our opponents, such a reaction usually signals the end for the manager.
Bobby Robson at Barcelona received the dreaded 'White Handkerchief' treatment and he was relieved of his duties in short order. Perhaps someone will make a 'Pretty Penny' selling white handkerchiefs on Sunday !!

Intruiging. Would kitchen roll or toilet paper suffice?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Intruiging. Would kitchen roll or toilet paper suffice?

Probably better. We're in a bad enough state without stands full of Morris dancers.