Glasner Out

[PatrickA]

We only have OG’s word he didn’t know Guehi was unavailable until 10.30. Even if that is true the whole world and his dog knew Guehi was off to City so OG should have been planning for life without him. It’s not ideal to lose a player the day before a match but what happens when a player gets injured or ill? I don’t buy there isn’t a plan B and if there isn’t then OG isn’t doing his job.

I’d give this all more credence if yesterday was a one off in terms of performance but it isn’t. We haven’t won in ten games. We had Guehi vs Macclesfield and we’re still second best. We’ve had Guehi through all the games we’ve been awful at set pieces from.

We are the worst team in the division right now. That’s not due to selling Guehi and the manager needs to take some responsibility for how we are performing rather than blaming everyone else.

The broader point Glasner was making was why couldn't the club wait another week or so until other players were back?
City still would have wanted Guehi.

Sure, Glasner has made mistakes and has to bear some responsibility for our current poor run.
But he can't be expected to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.

Yesterday yet again we fielded a weak bench this time comprising two keepers, several untried youngsters and a couple of hastily patched up players and a recalled loan player.
This after 14 years in the Premier League.
Glasner is no more to blame for this when he was when we were thrashed at home by Fulham and we fielded a midfield of Guehi and a debuting Devenny.
Every team we face has a stronger bench than us and we knew we faced a 60 plus game season when we knew we were in Europe.
Is he to blame for us having a weaker squad now than when he joined ?

I'm not seeking to change anybody's opinion, but I think criticism of him should at least be fair and have some balance.

 

[Spindle]

I don’t buy the BS about speaking out to protect his players. The only person he was protecting was Oliver Glasner.

The point I forgot to comment on. How, Oliver, are you protecting players and lauding them when you equally said that they are no good to the point that you wanted the board to back you by replacing them? Where's the logic?

Is he not that smart?

 

[Linford]

Does anybody else think ot would have been a good idea to have bought a centre back in to replace Guehi before selling him or is Glasner wrong about this too?

As he points out , he only knew the Guehi would be unavailable at 10.30am on Friday , and he says 'I'm sure negotiations didn't start at 10am.'

I know people dislike Glasner, but is this a reasonable way for a serious football club to operate.
And no, before anybody suggests we have Riad and Canvot, they are as adequate as replacements for Guehi as Devenny is for Munoz.

Exactly, this is why he is angry. Would have been useful to involve him in negotiations as well. The top clubs all do.

 

[JHB]

The broader point Glasner was making was why couldn't the club wait another week or so until other players were back?
City still would have wanted Guehi.

Sure, Glasner has made mistakes and has to bear some responsibility for our current poor run.
But he can't be expected to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.

Yesterday yet again we fielded a weak bench this time comprising two keepers, several untried youngsters and a couple of hastily patched up players and a recalled loan player.
This after 14 years in the Premier League.
Glasner is no more to blame for this when he was when we were thrashed at home by Fulham and we fielded a midfield of Guehi and a debuting Devenny.
Every team we face has a stronger bench than us and we knew we faced a 60 plus game season when we knew we were in Europe.
Is he to blame for us having a weaker squad now than when he joined ?

I'm not seeking to change anybody's opinion, but I think criticism of him should at least be fair and have some balance.

It is fair to say our squad lacks depth and at some point our form would dip. I agree with you there. I didn’t expect us to be taking 15 points from the last 7 league games or anything like that. It was never going to be easy and in that it is fair to say OG can’t be expected to have maintained the same form.

Nor did I expect us to only take 2 points. That’s just not good enough and during that time OG has shown he doesn’t have a plan B.

We also surely had enough to beat a team of semi pros instead we were out competed and deservedly beaten.

So yes the squad lacks depth but OG is seeking to create a narrative that it’s all about transfers, while chucking the squad players under the bus by telling them they are rubbish.

 

[Palacesince64]

Oliver Glasner's 'abandoned' rant analysed and how Crystal Palace's hierarchy could respond

Kaveh Solhekol analyses Oliver Glasners criticism of the clubs hierarchy following their defeat at Sunderland, and how the club might respond.

www.skysports.com

Decent summary from Kaveh

 

[JHB]

Exactly, this is why he is angry. Would have been useful to involve him in negotiations as well. The top clubs all do.

No they don’t. Almost all the top clubs have a manager who manages and then directors of football who do all the work on transfers and negotiations.

In fact Man Utd and Chelsea (big clubs if not ‘top clubs’) just made it very clear who runs the show on transfers and it ain’t the manager

 

[Linford]

We only have OG’s word he didn’t know Guehi was unavailable until 10.30. Even if that is true the whole world and his dog knew Guehi was off to City so OG should have been planning for life without him. It’s not ideal to lose a player the day before a match but what happens when a player gets injured or ill? I don’t buy there isn’t a plan B and if there isn’t then OG isn’t doing his job.

I’d give this all more credence if yesterday was a one off in terms of performance but it isn’t. We haven’t won in ten games. We had Guehi vs Macclesfield and we’re still second best. We’ve had Guehi through all the games we’ve been awful at set pieces from.

We are the worst team in the division right now. That’s not due to selling Guehi and the manager needs to take some responsibility for how we are performing rather than blaming everyone else.

It was more like plan number 5 at that point, and yes of course he had a fifth plan but you hope not to be forced by your own club into using it when it’s not necessary. He will now have to use that plan five every game until Mateta goes to Juve and he has to use plan 6 every game.

We don’t have enough players to keep doing this.

 

[chris123]

I think as they say at funerals , This is a time for reflection rather than further controversy and disruption .
4 weeks from now fans will wonder what the fuss was all about .
Can still achieve our highest Premiership finish and Win the Conference cup , Plenty to play for .

Stop all the clocks kind of thing?

 

[PatrickA]

It is fair to say our squad lacks depth and at some point our form would dip. I agree with you there. I didn’t expect us to be taking 15 points from the last 7 league games or anything like that. It was never going to be easy and in that it is fair to say OG can’t be expected to have maintained the same form.

Nor did I expect us to only take 2 points. That’s just not good enough and during that time OG has shown he doesn’t have a plan B.

We also surely had enough to beat a team of semi pros instead we were out competed and deservedly beaten.

So yes the squad lacks depth but OG is seeking to create a narrative that it’s all about transfers, while chucking the squad players under the bus by telling them they are rubbish.

Re your last paragraph, has he thrown them under the bus?

If he did, I haven't heard that.

What I did hear him say is that he wanted to protect the younger players on the bench (i.e presumably not expose them to the current predicament), that it felt unreasonable to have to rely on only 13 first team players some of whom have already had to play 35 games, and that these players and given everything on the field and weren't being adequately supported
Others will see this as an attempt by him to shift blame, but I can't disagree with the the points he made

 

[JHB]

It was more like plan number 5 at that point, and yes of course he had a fifth plan but you hope not to be forced by your own club into using it when it’s not necessary. He will now have to use that plan five every game until Mateta goes to Juve and he has to use plan 6 every game.

We don’t have enough players to keep doing this.

So he was helpless and couldn’t do anything? Taking out Sarr and Munoz means we can’t compete with Macclesfield? In that case we should definitely get rid of him as clearly the manager has no impact. Might as well save ourselves £4m a year.

As I say I didn’t expect this period to be easy but let’s not pretend OG is blameless here either from what we are seeing on the pitch or off it.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

The point I forgot to comment on. How, Oliver, are you protecting players and lauding them when you equally said that they are no good to the point that you wanted the board to back you by replacing them? Where's the logic?

Is he not that smart?

He’s under stress so his weaknesses show. Unfortunately for him he gets emotional. Big mistake. Being a manager you have to deal with ups and downs.

 

[JHB]

Re your last paragraph, has he thrown them under the bus?

If he did, I haven't heard that.

What I did hear him say is that he wanted to protect the younger players on the bench (i.e presumably not expose them to the current predicament), that it felt unreasonable to have to rely on only 13 first team players some of whom have already had to play 35 games, and that these players and given everything on the field and weren't being adequately supported
Others will see this as an attempt by him to shift blame, but I can't disagree with the the points he made

Come on. He just said they were not good enough. Whether he thinks that or not you don’t say that in public about your players.

 

[Poshgit]

new to this but maybe Glasner's outburst is to do with his recent results affecting his reputation
and therefore his chances of a " better" job - a chance to blame everyone else - does he have form on this ?

 

[Part Time James]

new to this but maybe Glasner's outburst is to do with his recent results affecting his reputation
and therefore his chances of a " better" job - a chance to blame everyone else - does he have form on this ?

That's as maybe, but not many boards like hiring an outspoken manager. I think the interview did just as much damage to his reputation.

 

[Poshgit]

That's as maybe, but not many boards like hiring an outspoken manager. I think the interview did just as much damage to his reputation.

oh yes Part time , heat of the moment outburst element too - went too far

 

[Linford]

No they don’t. Almost all the top clubs have a manager who manages and then directors of football who do all the work on transfers and negotiations.

In fact Man Utd and Chelsea (big clubs if not ‘top clubs’) just made it very clear who runs the show on transfers and it ain’t the manager

Arsenal, Liverpool, and Man City all have directors who work with the manager on all transfers. They have a number of bodies involved and the manager is always part of the process.

 

[PatrickA]

Come on. He just said they were not good enough. Whether he thinks that or not you don’t say that in public about your players.

I genuinely didn't hear him say that, but I'm not saying you're making it up
For what it's worth, if he did say that and was referring to players on the bench, I agree with him
He shouldn't say it in public though.

 

[mileend]

The broader point Glasner was making was why couldn't the club wait another week or so until other players were back?
City still would have wanted Guehi.

Sure, Glasner has made mistakes and has to bear some responsibility for our current poor run.
But he can't be expected to turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.

Yesterday yet again we fielded a weak bench this time comprising two keepers, several untried youngsters and a couple of hastily patched up players and a recalled loan player.
This after 14 years in the Premier League.
Glasner is no more to blame for this when he was when we were thrashed at home by Fulham and we fielded a midfield of Guehi and a debuting Devenny.
Every team we face has a stronger bench than us and we knew we faced a 60 plus game season when we knew we were in Europe.
Is he to blame for us having a weaker squad now than when he joined ?

I'm not seeking to change anybody's opinion, but I think criticism of him should at least be fair and have some balance.

Because if he picks up an injury Crystal Palace lose £20m. Pretty simple explanation. And given the minutes Marc has played he was probably due one. And perhaps Marc didn't want to miss his chance if he got an injury and said as much?

This situation happens all the time. Players dropped because they have a move lined up. For Glasner to say it has never happened before in his knowledge is totally ridiculous and disingenuous. Just like he forgot FFP and PSR existed. Or that we'd just broken our transfer record on a player he sanctioned.

 

[Nicholas91]

I've been to the Monkey World and those monkeys are way too busy tugging themselves off to commandeer a tank. Same reason I haven't ever driven a tank.

I’ve been to Monkey World in Kent.

Turned out to just be some bloke sitting on his sofa in Sittingbourne watching TV whilst wearing a Palace shirt. 6.5/10 as an experience.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

new to this but maybe Glasner's outburst is to do with his recent results affecting his reputation
and therefore his chances of a " better" job - a chance to blame everyone else - does he have form on this ?

I expect so, but Parish’s position is, ‘Well resign then.’ It looks like Glasner won’t because of millions of pounds at stake. Parish is too smart to be manipulated and the Americans are very hard business people too. At the moment Parish holds power. Glasner needs to perform before the season ends or he won’t be as attractive anymore. If he continues to not get a single point then things are going to get interesting and painful.