Crystal Palace vs. Liverpool match thread

[pssguy]

Bad News: In each of the past eight seasons, at least 2 of the bottom 3 after 10 games have been relegated
Good News: Since Palace returned to the PL, they have twice been in the bottom 3 after 10, and survived

 

[viveasheagle]

Sage is not a buffoon, nor crap, nor any of the other low grade ignorant abuse on these pages, he is clearly a very intelligent man and has enjoyed success at a high level. I agree, though, that his football is too high risk for the players we have, but you saw the fight in the last two games, there was excellent attacking play first half, well-timed switches and proper chances created. And Disasi and Mingueza played very well, and left it all on the pitch. With time and a good window I think he has the competence and the commitment to turn it round, but the inadequate recruitment in defence and the fact that two of our attacking stars want away has made it too difficult to get a tune from the players at his disposal. He was dealt a bad hand, he could have played it better, I thought Leeds would be a turning point, but I don't think Pep or Klopp would have got more than an extra two points with the squad we have now. Be surprised if he's still in charge for the next game, but it saddens me.

I concur with you ex hibitionist - i also thought we were way better and quicker in moving the ball foward from defence in the first half in particular. With Sarr apparantly due back after the international break we will certainly be a threat going forward. Thought Lerma helped inprove the defence. Praying we can get a decent centre half in the Jan window or at least Tomiyasu back - defensively he has looked the best of the ones we currently have.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Sage is not a buffoon, nor crap, nor any of the other low grade ignorant abuse on these pages, he is clearly a very intelligent man and has enjoyed success at a high level. I agree, though, that his football is too high risk for the players we have, but you saw the fight in the last two games, there was excellent attacking play first half, well-timed switches and proper chances created. And Disasi and Mingueza played very well, and left it all on the pitch. With time and a good window I think he has the competence and the commitment to turn it round, but the inadequate recruitment in defence and the fact that two of our attacking stars want away has made it too difficult to get a tune from the players at his disposal. He was dealt a bad hand, he could have played it better, I thought Leeds would be a turning point, but I don't think Pep or Klopp would have got more than an extra two points with the squad we have now. Be surprised if he's still in charge for the next game, but it saddens me.

I agree with ex hibitionist. I think Sage is constrained by some deficiencies within the squad. That's not the Manager's fault, but unfortunately his head is always first in line for the chop. A new manager will have the same restrictions, unless they're given significant transfer fees, and Palace are able to attract the right players.
Palace aren't cut adrift , in terms of points, at the bottom of the table. In spite of a lot of positive comments, the GD is the worst in the Prem by some margin. That is a really telling statistic for me. Still a long way to go in the season.

 

[Willo]

I agree with ex hibitionist. I think Sage is constrained by some deficiencies within the squad. That's not the Manager's fault, but unfortunately his head is always first in line for the chop. A new manager will have the same restrictions, unless they're given significant transfer fees, and Palace are able to attract the right players.
Palace aren't cut adrift , in terms of points, at the bottom of the table. In spite of a lot of positive comments, the GD is the worst in the Prem by some margin. That is a really telling statistic for me. Still a long way to go in the season.

This reflects my mindset at this juncture.
I live in hope.

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

Sage is not a buffoon, nor crap, nor any of the other low grade ignorant abuse on these pages, he is clearly a very intelligent man and has enjoyed success at a high level. I agree, though, that his football is too high risk for the players we have, but you saw the fight in the last two games, there was excellent attacking play first half, well-timed switches and proper chances created. And Disasi and Mingueza played very well, and left it all on the pitch. With time and a good window I think he has the competence and the commitment to turn it round, but the inadequate recruitment in defence and the fact that two of our attacking stars want away has made it too difficult to get a tune from the players at his disposal. He was dealt a bad hand, he could have played it better, I thought Leeds would be a turning point, but I don't think Pep or Klopp would have got more than an extra two points with the squad we have now. Be surprised if he's still in charge for the next game, but it saddens me.

Great post - absolutely spot on..!!

 

[JessieJ]

I watched the first half on Sky today. I did not see the second half.

Based on that first half, as others have said we looked competitive and could/should have scored at least one before the break. But that is not what I remember most vividly.

What I remember most vividly is another cross, another overload at the back post to another completely unmarked Liverpool forward (Barcola). The forward fluffed his lines this time. There was no massive fizz or magic on the cross: part of Liverpool's first half tactics today were simple hang ups to the back post knowing it is so simple to cause us problems doing this.

Then a second cross, MacAllister initially being picked up but then left completely. A routine dart towards the near post area did not just give him a yard. It left him completely unmarked. It was a great header to finish. 0-1 and momentum swings.

For Barcola read any number of Fulham players in the cup match, the first Spurs goal last match, and many others.

For MacAllister, read the first Newcastle goal, the Joachim Anderson missed header in the cup match and doubtless others.

The team just cannot seem to be able to stop repeating the same mistakes. We are conceding at least two goals per game and we are far from efficient ourselves in the final third (Kamada, JSL, Pino today in the first half).

No doubt discussions are in place or have concluded to change the coaching staff. I really wanted it to work with Sage; I think he is a good coach and there is something very affable about him. But he is unlikely to get a tune out of these players playing the way he wants them to play.

We are sinking with each passing league round and, even with Coventry and Hull next, I do not see us winning both of those games to get us some momentum.

This was my overriding take-away from the frist half as well, albeit i admit to being a "glass-half-empty" follower over the decades. While we give up so many of these chances per match I cannot see any way we can win unless we score at 3 ourselves. Having said that I had quite enjoyed the first half having of course expected the worst and do also agree with ex hibitionists post. The drawbacks of "sticking" over "twisting" are for me a) Lampard seems to have organised Coventry (very unlucky vs Everton and getting results at home, and b) look at the way Hull defied Arsenal; that match could easily end 0-1. However, if we can't beat them, then who? As I have also said before, the list of potential candidates is so uninspiring but on the other hand waiting until the end of the year could very well mean that we actually be adrift. Decisions decisions!

 

[doombear]

Bad News: In each of the past eight seasons, at least 2 of the bottom 3 after 10 games have been relegated
Good News: Since Palace returned to the PL, they have twice been in the bottom 3 after 10, and survived

3rd time unlucky?

 

[Willo]

This was my overriding take-away from the frist half as well, albeit i admit to being a "glass-half-empty" follower over the decades. While we give up so many of these chances per match I cannot see any way we can win unless we score at 3 ourselves. Having said that I had quite enjoyed the first half having of course expected the worst and do also agree with ex hibitionists post. The drawbacks of "sticking" over "twisting" are for me a) Lampard seems to have organised Coventry (very unlucky vs Everton and getting results at home, and b) look at the way Hull defied Arsenal; that match could easily end 0-1. However, if we can't beat them, then who? As I have also said before, the list of potential candidates is so uninspiring but on the other hand waiting until the end of the year could very well mean that we actually be adrift. Decisions decisions!

Sergej Jakirovic had a hugely impressive win % with the 7 clubs he managed before joining Hull.

 

[JessieJ]

Really well played today. We had the better chances and looked better than Liverpool. The difference is they had Isak and Wirtz finishing chances, while we had Strand Larsen and Kamada. Unfortunately, they're worlds apart.

Mingueza was fantastic today. Cemented his spot.
Timber was incredible. Starts every game.
Pino was his usual menacing self. Has come on so well.
Thought Disasi was largely pretty good too.
We really do just need Mateta and Sarr to come back firing and we'll climb the table.
I for one hope Sage is given the Coventry and Hull games to get results - because he will.

I don't want to disagree generally so, yes, good shift again, but, my oh my his positioning/marking for the first goal was so poor and not for the first time. That type of mistake is for me purely down to the individual losing concentration and not necessarily a fault of tactics. Well I hope not at last.

 

[MrRobbo]

I don't want to disagree generally so, yes, good shift again, but, my oh my his positioning/marking for the first goal was so poor and not for the first time. That type of mistake is for me purely down to the individual losing concentration and not necessarily a fault of tactics. Well I hope not at last.

100%

Liverpool tried that near post corner move twice (from memory) before it came off. On all 3 occasions Timber let MacAlister make the near post run.

After the goal he's marking at set pieces was much better, essentially holding MacAlister, stopping him make the run.

It felt like it epitomised some of the issues all season, lacking a little grit and street smarts.

 

[JHB]

100%

Liverpool tried that near post corner move twice (from memory) before it came off. On all 3 occasions Timber let MacAlister make the near post run.

After the goal he's marking at set pieces was much better, essentially holding MacAlister, stopping him make the run.

It felt like it epitomised some of the issues all season, lacking a little grit and street smarts.

If we are honest Timber was partially at fault for both opening goals. Just let MacAllster run off him for the first one. For the second he lost it in midfield and again found himself the wrong side of the Liverpool midfielders. The cynical part of me was saying just foul them as you could see we were in trouble if they broke. I like Timber’s energy but he is out of position a lot

 

[ASCPFC]

If we are honest Timber was partially at fault for both opening goals. Just let MacAllster run off him for the first one. For the second he lost it in midfield and again found himself the wrong side of the Liverpool midfielders. The cynical part of me was saying just foul them as you could see we were in trouble if they broke. I like Timber’s energy but he is out of position a lot

Our midfield is always caught out due to having two in there. Plus making Timber and Wharton both go forward, press and stay back is unsustainable. In the same way as the wing backs are caught out. The midfield problem has been since about January when every team realised you can put an extra man in there and overrun us.

 

[park the bus]

Our midfield is always caught out due to having two in there. Plus making Timber and Wharton both go forward, press and stay back is unsustainable. In the same way as the wing backs are caught out. The midfield problem has been since about January when every team realised you can put an extra man in there and overrun us.

It really is that simple, as I and others have been reporting since last season. Anything but 3 centre halves please. I note Morocco play 4-1-4-1, other teams opt for 4-3-3, other 4-2-3-1 - none leave two lightweights with all the responsibility of controlling the midfield when outnumbered.

 

[mtp1958]

It really is that simple, as I and others have been reporting since last season. Anything but 3 centre halves please. I note Morocco play 4-1-4-1, other teams opt for 4-3-3, other 4-2-3-1 - none leave two lightweights with all the responsibility of controlling the midfield when outnumbered.

Isn't 4141 sweeper set up ?

 

[park the bus]

Isn't 4141 sweeper set up ?

In Morocco's case I'm not sure but what I saw of them they are quite resolute in defence and midfield.

 

[Spindle]

Bad News: In each of the past eight seasons, at least 2 of the bottom 3 after 10 games have been relegated
Good News: Since Palace returned to the PL, they have twice been in the bottom 3 after 10, and survived

It won't be this time.

We'll be fine and so will man Utd.

 

[Spindle]

Isn't 4141 sweeper set up ?

No.

A sweeper can be anything but relies on 1 deep player picking up every through ball. It's an out of date system, and pretty much the keeper is sweeper these days right through to amateur levels

 

[mtp1958]

No.

A sweeper can be anything but relies on 1 deep player picking up every through ball. It's an out of date system, and pretty much the keeper is sweeper these days right through to amateur levels

Can't see the point 4141 thats why I asked