Crystal Palace vs. Liverpool match thread

[Save Dwindlehurst]

Thought we played really well today but just no luck. Maybe Liverpool let us have the ball knowing they could hit us on the break. Always hard to judge after 5-6 pints 😳.

 

[doombear]

So you’re resigned to us going down into the Championship and then into obscurity.

None of those clubs you mentioned had the success we have had over the last few seasons.

So my question is - if we have no money from that - why - where has it gone - certainly not on transfers.

Add to that all the incoming revenue from big money transfers out.

Just don’t believe we don’t have money - it’s just another Parish excuse and smokescreen for not spending.

We spent all we could this calendar year hence why Osorio is a loan with an OBLIGATION to buy next summer. We wasted our money in January and that's our problem. We're in the Southampton situation where selling our best players for profit only works if the replacements are brought in early enough and prove to be good enough. Since Freedman's departure we've failed to do that and are looking over the precipice unless we can get a manager who can work with our current batch of players. With UEFA financial year e ding in December we should have some money for Jamuary business but I'm far from confident we'll use it wisely.

 

[eaglesdare]

Is it possible to retire as a fan?

I retired in Leipzig. It wasn't going to get any better.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The game clearly highlighted our problem. We don't have the quality to win games.

The team played well today, but the team is not good enough. No pace in the back three. No pace on the wing. Not strong enough in midfield. Feeble up front.
There is only one place to lay the blame, but it will be the manager who pays the price.

Getting Mateta and Sarr on the pitch would really help, but a much better, quicker centre half is essential in January no matter what. We had the players to be comfortable for another season. We sold them.

I hope it was worth it.

 

[BigGcpfc]

Lets not forget how we got the measly 7 points that we have. We could easily have zero points after 10 games.

 

[Stirlingsays]

So you’re resigned to us going down into the Championship and then into obscurity.

None of those clubs you mentioned had the success we have had over the last few seasons.

So my question is - if we have no money from that - why - where has it gone - certainly not on transfers.

Add to that all the incoming revenue from big money transfers out.

Just don’t believe we don’t have money - it’s just another Parish excuse and smokescreen for not spending.

Do you understand the economics of running a Premiership club?

Clubs operate at a loss.

Look at the published financials and tell me where all this money is?

Like I say, I understand the frustation....I really do.

We nearly went out of existence back in 2009 spending money we don't have.

 

[doombear]

Lets not forget how we got the measly 7 points that we have. We could easily have zero points after 10 games.

But we don't. In fact we could and should have more points from Everton, Ipswich and Leeds. We have the points our performances warrant.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

I retired in Leipzig. It wasn't going to get any better.

That’s what I thought, I don’t care anymore, we won the FA Cup and are champions of Europe, so I can die happy whatever the future holds for us

 

[Eaglecoops]

The game clearly highlighted our problem. We don't have the quality to win games.

The team played well today, but the team is not good enough. No pace in the back three. No pace on the wing. Not strong enough in midfield. Feeble up front.
There is only one place to lay the blame, but it will be the manager who pays the price.

Getting Mateta and Sarr on the pitch would really help, but a much better, quicker centre half is essential in January no matter what. We had the players to be comfortable for another season. We sold them.

I hope it was worth it.

I very much doubt Sarr is injured, it’s more likely he just doesn’t want to play. There appears to be more issues with French speaking players and Sage than other players or is that just coincidental?

 

[BromleyMonkey]

But we don't. In fact we could and should have more points from Everton, Ipswich and Leeds. We have the points our performances warrant.

Shame because we played well today, but it’s hard to say we deserved something from the game with the usual slack defending

 

[Den1923]

Respectfully disagree. Just like Glasner he is refusing to adapt to what he has.

Last season it was clear that 5 at the back wouldn't work without Munoz and we didn't win in about 10 games when he was injured.

This season is is clear that we do not have good enough CBs to play that system. But instead of going to a back four and trying to strengthen the midfield, to protect them, once again he is trying the same thing over and over and over again.

Can guarantee the next manager immediately reverts to a back 4.

Whilst I understand your point I sincerely believe that you cannot make bad defenders better by just changing managers, the real problem is that we sold most of our best players and replaced them with players who were last minute offers in the bin in the basement because they were prone to injury (sick notes), out of contract and unwanted, the rest were young and inexperienced with no due diligence being done before we signed them (Franca) or some were players who are out of favour and their contract clubs just wanted to off load them to either cover or subsidise their wages. Our main problem is that Parish just can't walk the talk when it comes to properly managing succession planning, he leaves everything to the last minute and I suspect makes promises to managers at interview and then when it comes to delivery of those promises he hides behind regulations that other peer clubs seem to be able to manage and prosper. At the end of the day its Parish who needs to step back but alas its probably too late now as panic buying in the next window wil not save us. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but only time will tell.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I very much doubt Sarr is injured, it’s more likely he just doesn’t want to play. There appears to be more issues with French speaking players and Sage than other players or is that just coincidental?

That's the concern.

I don't know what we can spend in January, but the Sarr, Mateta issue need to be addressed and we have to spend all we can. The alternative is to lose a big chunk of income by going down.

We obviously have financial limitations, but spending big money on Strand Larsen, Johnson, and Nketiah plus the likes of Gozo, Franca and others has put us in this position. We have wasted funds that could have kept the likes of Lacroix and Munoz at the club.

 

[mtp1958]

You may get your wish if we get Dyche or Lanzo in charge!

Take lanzo

 

[Fanofzhiyi]

I like sage but tactically from set pieces and consistent defensive lapses that can be put down to tactics happen too often. Yes he has not been backed the way he should have, I guess they hoped ordinoz would have been the answer and then got desperate bringing in an unproved 18 year old Italian instead.
Solution: New coach, Sarr and Mateta back soonest possible. Drop strand Larsen. Fight to the end of the season with a marquee january cb signing. Mateta goes next summer, sell Larsen and Sarr then rebuild under the new coach for a new era… hopefully goes to plan

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Take lanzo

Lanzo won’t have time, he’s going to be the next prime minister 😎🤣

 

[mtp1958]

Shame because we played well today, but it’s hard to say we deserved something from the game with the usual slack defending

No we did deserve something , we went hunting and didnt get the kill , we all expected a bigger score but the score line made liverpool look good . They wasn't that much better than us if any . Would say one maybe 2 was slow defensive wise .

 

[eritheagle]

We spent all we could this calendar year hence why Osorio is a loan with an OBLIGATION to buy next summer. We wasted our money in January and that's our problem. We're in the Southampton situation where selling our best players for profit only works if the replacements are brought in early enough and prove to be good enough. Since Freedman's departure we've failed to do that and are looking over the precipice unless we can get a manager who can work with our current batch of players. With UEFA financial year e ding in December we should have some money for Jamuary business but I'm far from confident we'll use it wisely.

Not exactly spent it all as we're hoping to get that centre back from bruges.
just cos teams do deals like this doesn't always mean one team can't afford it. It may be that we will give them a better deal next year. Yes, it may mean we have more money in january to spend but not neccessarily that we're skint.

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

We spent all we could this calendar year hence why Osorio is a loan with an OBLIGATION to buy next summer. We wasted our money in January and that's our problem. We're in the Southampton situation where selling our best players for profit only works if the replacements are brought in early enough and prove to be good enough. Since Freedman's departure we've failed to do that and are looking over the precipice unless we can get a manager who can work with our current batch of players. With UEFA financial year e ding in December we should have some money for Jamuary business but I'm far from confident we'll use it wisely.

If things are that tight - which I still don’t believe to be true.

Then certainly we wasted money in January on Grand Larceny and Johnson.

Just goes to show how inept Parish is in transfer dealings.

 

[Willo]

A wholly predictable result.
We had our moments in the game but in the final analysis Liverpool's quality and organisation won them all the points.
Once more we conceded from a set-piece and the goals 'Against' column makes grim reading.
I shall now proceed to drown my sorrows and have a darned moan and groan in a local Public House.

 

[Canterbury Palace]

Whilst I understand your point I sincerely believe that you cannot make bad defenders better by just changing managers, the real problem is that we sold most of our best players and replaced them with players who were last minute offers in the bin in the basement because they were prone to injury (sick notes), out of contract and unwanted, the rest were young and inexperienced with no due diligence being done before we signed them (Franca) or some were players who are out of favour and their contract clubs just wanted to off load them to either cover or subsidise their wages. Our main problem is that Parish just can't walk the talk when it comes to properly managing succession planning, he leaves everything to the last minute and I suspect makes promises to managers at interview and then when it comes to delivery of those promises he hides behind regulations that other peer clubs seem to be able to manage and prosper. At the end of the day its Parish who needs to step back but alas its probably too late now as panic buying in the next window wil not save us. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but only time will tell.

Indeed but if our defenders are s***, why play a system that relies on using three of them and them all being extremely positionally disciplined? It would surely be better to play an additional midfielder and try to control the game enough to relieve pressure on the defence.

In defence we are picking three from Disasi, Richards, Lerma, Ahanor, Canvot, Tomiyasu

In midfield we are picking two from Wharton, Timber, Hughes, Kamada, Lerma, Doucoure.

I would say that second pool of players is significantly stronger.