Crystal Palace v Aston Villa Match Thread

[Toronto_CPFC]

the difference is that the Rule is still 'Level with the last defender', but the VAR includes a buffer, so there can be no argument if the attacking player is so far offside he's outside the 30cm buffer.

I'll change my answer slightly in that if the Attacking players line is 'in the buffer' you go with the on field decision, whatever that may be.

So if it's less than a mil past the 'buffer' does it count? Whats the difference? Adding margin to the calls doesn't change the fact that folks don't like the VAR answer when it goes against them.

 

[Jim_Cannon]

I agree that there offside was rediculous. However, I did wonder if their allowed goal should have been checked for offside. When their keeper kicks the ball their number 11 appears to be stood in an offisde position before coming back on-side to take the ball. I don't know if this was checked by VAR as nothing was mentioned.

Yes I thought Watkins was offside when the goalie kicked it

 

[cryrst]

The trouble with the 'on field decision' is that PGMOL refs are now so ingrained witrh VAR they literally know they will be bailed out either way. They are not allowed to be refs anymore.

Offside that are clear are decided pretty quickly by var most of the time. Close calls deserve to be looked at as at the end it’s not a subjective decision. It is or isn’t on/off side period. The issue is the subjective ones. There should be 5 voters on the hand ball,dangerous fouls or penalty decisions and like boxing the majority decides.
If it takes more than a minute or two maybe then the refs call is used.
There are plenty of ex players who would be honest on this decision making I’m sure so plot them up with a couple of buttons, a tv screen and it will work I’m positive.

 

[CT Charlie]

Imagine if AI or other technology could be used to eliminate all identifying features of the players, their teams, and the stadium. Decisions would then be made by a panel with NO idea who is involved, or what the match situation might be. Yes, several players with unusual builds might be distinguishable, but even that could be adjusted (for offisides rulings) by eliminating everything but the limbs involved in the decision.

Brave New World, perhaps, but all in the interest of fairness.

By the way, in VAR offsides rulings is the exact moment of the kick determined electronically, or by humans?

 

[Eaglehamster]

The tech must exist to do away with the VAR assistant refs - it's just a matter of writing the code that translates the lines on the screen to the current ruleset via the camera images. If telescopes can view galaxies a bazillion light years away, and satellites can map the Earth's surface in detail then I'm pretty sure some AI will be able to determine the offside rule.

Isn’t it the rule the thing that’s under question here? Can AI decide that?
If VAR is to continue, I’d go for centre mass as in track athletics. AI can handle that.

 

[park the bus]

Isn’t it the rule the thing that’s under question here? Can AI decide that?
If VAR is to continue, I’d go for ceTntre mass as in track athletics. AI can handle that.

The rule will be whatever the rule is of the day. AIVAR would be given those parameters and impartially calculate whether offside or not, and within seconds. No more waiting 3 or 4 minutes for a couple of clowns to decide which way they feel it should go. Images from multiple digital cameras at the ground would be fed to AIVAR, which could 3D model the situation and give a ruling.
I'd keep the referee and the assistants for the necessary human contact with the players. AIVAR would only be used as VAR is used now. However, it's unlikely to happen because VAR in it's current form gives PGMOL power. i'd also limit the use of VAR as they do in cricket and tennis, whereby the captain of the team can make a small number of challenges to the on field decision. It's funny how cricket and tennis have devised a system, and relatively quickly in game time, to view a ball dropping in on a tight call, or going on to hit the stumps, whereas football struggles with these basics.

 

[Spiderman]

Imagine if AI or other technology could be used to eliminate all identifying features of the players, their teams, and the stadium. Decisions would then be made by a panel with NO idea who is involved, or what the match situation might be. Yes, several players with unusual builds might be distinguishable, but even that could be adjusted (for offisides rulings) by eliminating everything but the limbs involved in the decision.

Brave New World, perhaps, but all in the interest of fairness.

By the way, in VAR offsides rulings is the exact moment of the kick determined electronically, or by humans?

It appears by humans and seems to be regularly ignored

 

[Eagleman13]

PGMOL(mainly) & pundits all say that VAR(offsides) is difficult to use because they can't get the right amount of 'angles' due to SP being an ageing stadium. Seems feasible to me.

 

[Rainforest]

Have a good listen on Football Ramble :

 

[dreamwaverider]

New VAR technology arrives on Saturday!

Semi-automated offside technology to be used for FA Cup fifth round in English football first

FA Cup ties at Premier League grounds will use semi-automated offside technology, which is designed to improve the speed and efficiency of decisions; if a success, the system will be brought into the Premier League; VAR will be used from all fifth-round ties onwards in the competition

www.skysports.com

 

[silvertop]

goals change games, so whether you like it or not VAR did play a part yesterday, as it did v Everton a week or so before.

As has been said if the Villa goal had stood there would be few complaints, as it was so tight. Maybe his knee was in front by a couple of inches - fine margins.
Both our 1st and 3rd were looked at by VAR and both were close calls. (BTW the VAR 'answer' is thicker lines and a 2 minute limit - a goal should stand if a foul/offside cannot be identified in that period i.e. it is not clear and obvious).

Over the 90 minutes we started slowly and scored with our first proper chance. We also started the 2nd half slowly. Yes the last 30 minutes was a lot better, especially when Villa put too many forwards on to chase the game. However, it's not like we controlled the game for 90 minutes - we had a little over 30% possession.

Great win, but let's not get too carried away

That's when we do best.

Get 60% plus possession - that's when the problems start.

 

[LeftWing11]

After Saturday, we are not going to get any decisions or the benefit of the doubt tonight.

☘️ 😀

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

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Sarr wasn't offside when Richards headed the ball and that is what matters.

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That’s true but as he was when Wharton crossed to Richards, and was the goal scorer, ought he have been regarded as an “active” player when the cross was made and therefore offside?

That’s how I thought it worked now.

 

[markltcpfc]

What's this 'can't be offside from a goal kick' all about? Since when?

Also thought Watkins was offside for their (solitary) goal.

 

[Willo]

What's this 'can't be offside from a goal kick' all about? Since when?

Also thought Watkins was offside for their (solitary) goal.

Since time immemorial.

 

[markltcpfc]

Incredible!! Googled it.
Football fanatic since the '66 euphoria and I didn't know that!

 

[cryrst]

What's this 'can't be offside from a goal kick' all about? Since when?

Also thought Watkins was offside for their (solitary) goal.

That is mad as I’m sure Lino’s constantly flag for it. Maybe that’s why JPM always seems to stand in an offside position from them. So in theory your fastest player could be on the edge of their box all alone then.

 

[Gary St.Andrews]

After Tuesday nights performance we are most probably ready to give anyone a game, that second half apart from a couple of break aways by Villa, we swept them aside. Not bad considering Villa are in the latter stages of the Champions League.

 

[Runningman]

I thought Villa looked very ordinary. How many of their guys would you swap for ours ?
Could only think of Watkins but I’m happy to have JPM.

 

[JHB]

That is mad as I’m sure Lino’s constantly flag for it. Maybe that’s why JPM always seems to stand in an offside position from them. So in theory your fastest player could be on the edge of their box all alone then.

You can’t be offside from a goal kick or throw in. You can be offside from a goalkeeper kicking out of their hands as that is just a phase of play