Crystal Palace v Aston Villa Match Thread

[eaglesdare]

This was the ref who disallowed the Eze free kick against Brentford and he was up to his malicious worst last night. Football is a contact sport and in the first half Mr Barrot penalised practically every tackle we made where we won the ball. He registered 19 fouls against us (not including offsides). He failed to treat the Villains with the same vigour allowing them to cheat without censure. When Ramsey clearly dived in the area, as checked by VAR, he was not booked. Sarr was hit by a vicious late challenge in the build up to our second goal, a potential red card offence, but the ball had moved on to Eze who was flattened from behind before the ball broke to Mateta. Both the offences should have led to cards but Barrot bottled it. This probably due to his Yorkshire contempt for all things southern.

I respect your opinion. I don't think it was a dive for the penalty shout. There was clear contact. The villa player seemed to kick the turf after contact from Munoz from behind.

It's a clever foul to get a away with imo Van dyk does it all the time fouling a player from behind while holding his hands up 😅.

He did let a lot go to be fair. He should have booked Hughes way earlier than he did. Munoz could have had 2 yellows for his running down the wing and barging into players.

I thought overall he was fine. Just my opinion anyway.

We won 4-1 anyway cheer up

 

[CPFCSaturn]

This was the ref who disallowed the Eze free kick against Brentford and he was up to his malicious worst last night. Football is a contact sport and in the first half Mr Barrot penalised practically every tackle we made where we won the ball. He registered 19 fouls against us (not including offsides). He failed to treat the Villains with the same vigour allowing them to cheat without censure. When Ramsey clearly dived in the area, as checked by VAR, he was not booked. Sarr was hit by a vicious late challenge in the build up to our second goal, a potential red card offence, but the ball had moved on to Eze who was flattened from behind before the ball broke to Mateta. Both the offences should have led to cards but Barrot bottled it. This probably due to his Yorkshire contempt for all things southern.

Don't agree with all of this, but I do agree that he got them out of trouble a few times in the first half - Mcginn just sticks his arse out and hits the deck if anyone comes within 3 yards of him and the ref just bought it every time.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I respect your opinion. I don't think it was a dive for the penalty shout. There was clear contact. The villa player seemed to kick the turf after contact from Munoz from behind.

It's a clever foul to get a away with imo Van dyk does it all the time fouling a player from behind while holding his hands up 😅.

He did let a lot go to be fair. He should have booked Hughes way earlier than he did. Munoz could have had 2 yellows for his running down the wing and barging into players.

I thought overall he was fine. Just my opinion anyway.

We won 4-1 anyway cheer up

There's no way on earth that's a foul - there was a tiny bit of contact, but not even close to enough to be considered a foul. And certainly not enough to make someone hit the deck the way Ramsay did.

 

[eaglesdare]

There's no way on earth that's a foul - there was a tiny bit of contact, but not even close to enough to be considered a foul. And certainly not enough to make someone hit the deck the way Ramsay did.

Watch it happen to one of our players next and some here will change their tune 😜

 

[CrazyBadger]

I agree with this. The peril the offside rule was designed to deal with is goal hanging. Having a goal disallowed as the player forgot to shave that morning is a very different thing.

Perhaps only VAR where the remote team spot something clear and obvious. Didn't Marco Gabbiadini score a goal against us years ago when he was about 10ft + offside.

Still think the answer to the offside issues is to introduce a 'buffer'. Imagine the Offside line drawn is 30cm thick. If the attacking players line touches this, then he's onside. If he's still ahead of this, then he's clearly offside.
Even if they are 0.00001mm past this line, they'd be no arguments.
This also accounts for the 'when did the passer actually release the ball' question, and allows for minutiae of error when 'pausing' the play to set the offiside lines.

 

[silvertop]

Oh my word, what a splendid performance and result.
I placed my rump on my seat expecting an honourable draw.
My ageing face was wreathed in merriment as the goals flowed and there was unalloyed delight at the end of the game.
👍👍

You placed a rump steak on your bottom??

They do things very differently in West Sussex.

 

[Willo]

You placed a rump steak on your bottom??

They do things very differently in West Sussex.

😀😀

Perhaps I should have used 'Derriere'.

 

[CT Charlie]

Still think the answer to the offside issues is to introduce a 'buffer'. Imagine the Offside line drawn is 30cm thick. If the attacking players line touches this, then he's onside. If he's still ahead of this, then he's clearly offside.
Even if they are 0.00001mm past this line, they'd be no arguments.
This also accounts for the 'when did the passer actually release the ball' question, and allows for minutiae of error when 'pausing' the play to set the offiside lines.

I don't see how this would help, as it would simply move the argument 30cm up the pitch. Attacking players would know they have a little more leeway, so they'd happily be 11 inches behind the last defender when the ball is kicked.

 

[Toronto_CPFC]

Whilst I am happy that VAR made the correct decisions about offside the rules need to change.

It's ridiculous that goals are judged on whether somebody's toe or hand is a few inches further forward then it should be.

The balance of doubt should go to the attacking team and only if there is clear daylight should it be ruled offside. Quite how you would draft a rule for that I am not sure but hopefully you get my point.

If I was a Villa fan I would not be happy.

There is no real answer as there will always be marginal decision points. The same will happen if there is clear daylight between the players... is 1mm clear daylight.... whats the difference? These days the players and fans know if you're a knats whisker off-side you are off-side. This is no different to goal-line tech which people accept for some reason (maybe because its not used very often). Either you are off-side or you're not... either the ball crossed the line or it didn't.

 

[MrRobbo]

Still think the answer to the offside issues is to introduce a 'buffer'. Imagine the Offside line drawn is 30cm thick. If the attacking players line touches this, then he's onside. If he's still ahead of this, then he's clearly offside.
Even if they are 0.00001mm past this line, they'd be no arguments.
This also accounts for the 'when did the passer actually release the ball' question, and allows for minutiae of error when 'pausing' the play to set the offiside lines.

Agree.

Broadly I'd have 3 recommended changes to VAR:

The above - thicker offside lines to introduce a reasonable buffer

A challenge system - e.g. both teams have 2, and VAR only looks when requested. Retain challenges if proved correct

Limit VAR checks to 30secs/1min - if you cant find conclusive proof, then refer to on field decision.

 

[NMPalace]

In all this positivity and by way of negative balance...

We had 1/3 of possession but had far more chances than a very good Villa team. Our plan A is cede possession and hit effectively on the break. With the one change (I will return to) our forwards were able to execute their chances more effectively with an improved supply.

But plan B? When teams sit back and cede the possession to us. Kind of explains the home form dilemma. What do we have? I suppose the test will be this weekend and Ipswich. If there is no plan B the mood on here will change very quickly.

The difference? A match fit Wharton. I honestly think he is one of the best midfielders on the planet. I think he will be very difficult to keep. Tuchel was watching last night and is bound to increase his profile next month (he cant make the same mistake Southgate did and chose Mainoo over him). He will be lifting the ECL in a couple of years, but not with us.

BTW we won last night on merit. Not VAR.

goals change games, so whether you like it or not VAR did play a part yesterday, as it did v Everton a week or so before.

As has been said if the Villa goal had stood there would be few complaints, as it was so tight. Maybe his knee was in front by a couple of inches - fine margins.
Both our 1st and 3rd were looked at by VAR and both were close calls. (BTW the VAR 'answer' is thicker lines and a 2 minute limit - a goal should stand if a foul/offside cannot be identified in that period i.e. it is not clear and obvious).

Over the 90 minutes we started slowly and scored with our first proper chance. We also started the 2nd half slowly. Yes the last 30 minutes was a lot better, especially when Villa put too many forwards on to chase the game. However, it's not like we controlled the game for 90 minutes - we had a little over 30% possession.

Great win, but let's not get too carried away

 

[pssguy]

I think some of the performances were much better than the results suggested.

I can't really agree. Until the last hour of yesterday's game, we haven't really had the free-flowing football from the end of last season - not unexpected given the loss of Olise and the absence of a fit Wharton until now. What has kept us from relegation is the amazing turnround in out set piece goal difference and the ability to finish stronger than last year
To progress any further in the league this year, we absolutely have to win our next two games, At best (Villa and Fulham losing their games) that would only put us 9th with the prospect of the final nine fixtures including just one team (Wolves) below us in the table
If we can beat Millwall and get a favourable quarter-final, we are probably the best away team left in the FA cup: and no team will have home advantage at Wembley

 

[HKOwen]

Great view of goals from Upper Holmesdale, Wharton chest control pre Munoz pass was sublime.

Older Villa fans on train towards Victoria good humoured, said " see you next year for another 4-1 stuffing "

 

[CrazyBadger]

I don't see how this would help, as it would simply move the argument 30cm up the pitch. Attacking players would know they have a little more leeway, so they'd happily be 11 inches behind the last defender when the ball is kicked.

the difference is that the Rule is still 'Level with the last defender', but the VAR includes a buffer, so there can be no argument if the attacking player is so far offside he's outside the 30cm buffer.

I'll change my answer slightly in that if the Attacking players line is 'in the buffer' you go with the on field decision, whatever that may be.

 

[CrazyBadger]

I don't see how this would help, as it would simply move the argument 30cm up the pitch. Attacking players would know they have a little more leeway, so they'd happily be 11 inches behind the last defender when the ball is kicked.

additionally, your argument is precisely why I do not like the 'clear daylight' rule Proposed. The issue is not where the line is drawn, but the injustice of how it's implemented.

 

[Eagleman13]

the difference is that the Rule is still 'Level with the last defender', but the VAR includes a buffer, so there can be no argument if the attacking player is so far offside he's outside the 30cm buffer.

I'll change my answer slightly in that if the Attacking players line is 'in the buffer' you go with the on field decision, whatever that may be.

The trouble with the 'on field decision' is that PGMOL refs are now so ingrained witrh VAR they literally know they will be bailed out either way. They are not allowed to be refs anymore.

 

[CrazyBadger]

The trouble with the 'on field decision' is that PGMOL refs are now so ingrained witrh VAR they literally know they will be bailed out either way. They are not allowed to be refs anymore.

but wouldn't overruling them if VAR says so only serve to promote this?

 

[Eagleman13]

but wouldn't overruling them if VAR says so only serve to promote this?

Which it is doing. The Day of the 'ref' especially in the Prem is slowly being eroded by technology.

 

[Palacesince64]

It’s when they’re both on the move and the attackers lead toe is slightly ahead of the defenders that it seems a silly rule. In this day and age I’m sure it possible for technology to quantify 2 whole bodies and decide if one is ahead of the other. Then again perhaps that would make Schluppy more likely to be offside.