Censorship and Social Media

[Teddy Eagle]

If that is currently the situation then I would expect it to be changed.

A balance will be found as this issue becomes better understood and normalised.

It has been the case but from the 2028 Olympics only biological females will be allowed to compete against each other. The question is why were biological men allowed to compete against them in the first place.

 

[georgenorman]

The rules on sport are being handled differently.

One of my granddaughters now identifies as male. Nothing more than identifies. They play ladies rugby at quite a high level. They are currently at Exeter Uni which has a close association with Exeter Chiefs. It took me a while to get my head around it but they are happy, and completely accepted by the rest of the team. The young don’t seem to have as many problems accepting these changes as the older generations do.

What did you buy this granddaughter for Christmas - a jockstrap?

 

[ASCPFC]

Just how do you think that is done?

Governments don’t have the resources to moderate social media or the means of removing content if they did. They expect and rely on the cooperation of the platforms, who don’t. Being based in the USA under a Trump administration makes that doubly difficult. Just look at the resistance to our on line safety act!

So a belt and braces approach makes perfect sense to me and this way seems sensible and doable. Age verification makes sense but is a lot easier to write than implement. Providing a digital ID to those of an appropriate age is just common sense. I don’t understand why anyone should object. I don’t. I welcome being asked to help. I have nothing to hide so nothing to fear by needing to prove my identity.

I don’t live in Ireland and it’s been a long time since I was there, so cannot comment on your specific assertions. However, doing what the EU is proposing can only help improve things. It cannot make them worse.

I literally explained how it can be done - with AI moderation. It's not exactly a stretch - as I already explained that it already is quite widespread on comments sections. For wider instances you'd have things like Google reviews subject to that. It's really not exactly Ireland specific - but Ireland will be the pilot since they are the EU lackey.
You're arguing for the sake of your opinion again. Which is hardly a surprise. Australia has restricted kid's access, I'd agree on that. Why ours has to go a lot further requires more than your bland "improve things". What somehow proven paedos who aren't imprisoned anyway will suddenly be enforced on? How would this change that? What is safer for the children? It's a soundbite to try to make it palatable. In reality, no one here even knows it's coming as it's not reported on. Why might that be necessary?
Similar to not giving information on unsuitable crimes for example? "Won't somebody please think of the children?". South Park and The Simpsons spring to mind. If you've ever seen them.
Try the comments section in The Journal if you want a taste of what it's like. You can get personal jibes through but complain about the publication or virtuous politics and see what happens. Try it for yourself. The Journal is purely up your street. I read it for comedy value. Know thine enemy.

 

[eaglesdare]

I literally explained how it can be done - with AI moderation. It's not exactly a stretch - as I already explained that it already is quite widespread on comments sections. For wider instances you'd have things like Google reviews subject to that. It's really not exactly Ireland specific - but Ireland will be the pilot since they are the EU lackey.
You're arguing for the sake of your opinion again. Which is hardly a surprise. Australia has restricted kid's access, I'd agree on that. Why ours has to go a lot further requires more than your bland "improve things". What somehow proven paedos who aren't imprisoned anyway will suddenly be enforced on? How would this change that? What is safer for the children? It's a soundbite to try to make it palatable. In reality, no one here even knows it's coming as it's not reported on. Why might that be necessary?
Similar to not giving information on unsuitable crimes for example? "Won't somebody please think of the children?". South Park and The Simpsons spring to mind. If you've ever seen them.
Try the comments section in The Journal if you want a taste of what it's like. You can get personal jibes through but complain about the publication or virtuous politics and see what happens. Try it for yourself. The Journal is purely up your street. I read it for comedy value. Know thine enemy.

Sure you arnt describing the BBS? 😅

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I literally explained how it can be done - with AI moderation. It's not exactly a stretch - as I already explained that it already is quite widespread on comments sections. For wider instances you'd have things like Google reviews subject to that. It's really not exactly Ireland specific - but Ireland will be the pilot since they are the EU lackey.
You're arguing for the sake of your opinion again. Which is hardly a surprise. Australia has restricted kid's access, I'd agree on that. Why ours has to go a lot further requires more than your bland "improve things". What somehow proven paedos who aren't imprisoned anyway will suddenly be enforced on? How would this change that? What is safer for the children? It's a soundbite to try to make it palatable. In reality, no one here even knows it's coming as it's not reported on. Why might that be necessary?
Similar to not giving information on unsuitable crimes for example? "Won't somebody please think of the children?". South Park and The Simpsons spring to mind. If you've ever seen them.
Try the comments section in The Journal if you want a taste of what it's like. You can get personal jibes through but complain about the publication or virtuous politics and see what happens. Try it for yourself. The Journal is purely up your street. I read it for comedy value. Know thine enemy.

As I don’t see this as doing anything very different to what is being done in Australia I don’t get why you are so concerned about it. I repeat, I have nothing to hide so it doesn’t bother me at all. The comments about “peados” getting away with it is a diversion, which needs to be discussed separately.

I have never heard of the Journal but will take a look. Is it typical? Or an outlier like this place?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It has been the case but from the 2028 Olympics only biological females will be allowed to compete against each other. The question is why were biological men allowed to compete against them in the first place.

Because this is an evolving situation which takes time to find the balance point that will satisfy no one completely but enable a workable compromise.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Because this is an evolving situation which takes time to find the balance point that will satisfy no one completely but enable a workable compromise.

It evolved quickly enough to allow biological men to compete against biological women. Why does the compassion only go in one direction?

 

[Spindle]

One of my granddaughters now identifies as male. Nothing more than identifies. They play ladies rugby at quite a high level. They are currently at Exeter Uni which has a close association with Exeter Chiefs. It took me a while to get my head around it but they are happy, and completely accepted by the rest of the team. The young don’t seem to have as many problems accepting these changes as the older generations do.

You're so accepting that you can't even bring yourself to use 'his' preferred pronouns of he/him 🤣

Truth is this has torn into you, as it should, and you're trying to convince yourself it's ok and normal, when your gut says otherwise. You can't afford to go out as "bigoted old grandad".

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It evolved quickly enough to allow biological men to compete against biological women. Why does the compassion only go in one direction?

It doesn’t.

It just took a while for the sea saw to regain its balance.

Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither is this. Social change often hits a few bumps before finding the smooth path.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You're so accepting that you can't even bring yourself to use 'his' preferred pronouns of he/him 🤣

Truth is this has torn into you, as it should, and you're trying to convince yourself it's ok and normal, when your gut says otherwise. You can't afford to go out as "bigoted old grandad".

I am following the preferences explained to me by my daughter. That’s their choice.

It’s been a challenge to adjust but I have.

 

[Spindle]

Because this is an evolving situation which takes time to find the balance point that will satisfy no one completely but enable a workable compromise.

No, it's because mouthy lefties targeted enough people with cancellation of their livelihoods, of everything they've worked for, that they buckled and allowed it.

Threats did it.

 

[Spindle]

I am following the preferences explained to me by my daughter. That’s their choice.

It’s been a challenge to adjust but I have.

That's HIS choice you mean....

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It doesn’t.

It just took a while for the sea saw to regain its balance.

Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither is this. Social change often hits a few bumps before finding the smooth path.

How long did it take from the beginning of trans activism for them to be involved in female sport?
Where is the smooth path involved when women are competing against men in athletic events?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No, it's because mouthy lefties targeted enough people with cancellation of their livelihoods, of everything they've worked for, that they buckled and allowed it.

Threats did it.

The only noise I hear comes from bigoted right wingers. None at all from “lefties”. All the sympathy, understanding and support comes from people with love and compassion for others. What their politics are is both unknown and unimportant.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That's HIS choice you mean....

No it’s theirs. My daughter is involved in helping to make the decision and guide others.

 

[ASCPFC]

As I don’t see this as doing anything very different to what is being done in Australia I don’t get why you are so concerned about it. I repeat, I have nothing to hide so it doesn’t bother me at all. The comments about “peados” getting away with it is a diversion, which needs to be discussed separately.

I have never heard of the Journal but will take a look. Is it typical? Or an outlier like this place

I've already explained how it's completely different to Australia - as any reasonable minded person can see.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I've already explained how it's completely different to Australia - as any reasonable minded person can see.

Any reasonable minded person can see that whilst the intentions are the same the Australian method is more restrictive than the EU’s.

So your approval of what Australia have done and objection to the EU’s makes no sense.

 

[ASCPFC]

Any reasonable minded person can see that whilst the intentions are the same the Australian method is more restrictive than the EU’s.

So your approval of what Australia have done and objection to the EU’s makes no sense.

Australia are doing things to restrict access to minors. The EU system is going to require even minors to be identified and monitored for everything they post. In China, apparently such monitoring of every citizen is sinister. But I guess it's fine in the EU. Australia do not monitor everyone's posting or messaging as far as I'm aware. The EU system will. One is to restrict access for minors, the other looks like an attempt to control the narrative.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Australia are doing things to restrict access to minors. The EU system is going to require even minors to be identified and monitored for everything they post. In China, apparently such monitoring of every citizen is sinister. But I guess it's fine in the EU. Australia do not monitor everyone's posting or messaging as far as I'm aware. The EU system will. One is to restrict access for minors, the other looks like an attempt to control the narrative.

As I suspected your concern has nothing to do with protecting children but the unrelated issue of how it might impact adults! Identifying and monitoring threatens no one at all, unless they are up to no good. The problem in China is not the identification and monitoring. It’s what is considered up to no good. This fear of a control over a narrative is completely misplaced. We live in a democracy which protects free speech, despite the high level of cynicism on display here. Should there ever be a genuine threat it would quickly be snuffed out. By us.

 

[ASCPFC]

As I suspected your concern has nothing to do with protecting children but the unrelated issue of how it might impact adults! Identifying and monitoring threatens no one at all, unless they are up to no good. The problem in China is not the identification and monitoring. It’s what is considered up to no good. This fear of a control over a narrative is completely misplaced. We live in a democracy which protects free speech, despite the high level of cynicism on display here. Should there ever be a genuine threat it would quickly be snuffed out. By us.

Look, it clearly isn't worth any debate with you on this when you only see what you want to see. It's not uncommon. The EU is not voted for either. So by it's very definition is not democratic. I'm not asking for cynicism. I'm telling you exactly how the system will work and you won't acknowledge it.