Australian beach terror attack.
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Phil’s Barber
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Correct.
The religion, beliefs or ethnicity of the Have a go Hero are irrelevant, he is simply a very brave hero.
The religion, beliefs or ethnicity of the suspects are relevant because they seem to underpin the motive and reason for the attack.
Living In Hope
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I don't really agree. I think it is important to understand that there are plenty of Muslims who just want to live their lives in peace and are appalled by this event, so I think it is helpful to note that another Muslim stepped in to save Jewish lives.
I would add however that there is clearly an appalling anti-semitism problem amongst a significant number of Muslims and also hard left wingers (certain behaviour at pro-Palestine marches and other public events has demonstrated that we are not just talking about a tiny number of hate-fuelled loonies). The point is that surely the answer is to try and engage better with the Muslims who just want to live their lives in peace, and aim to marginalise the anti-semites. Maybe this will prove impossible, but other options become even more difficult.
Hrolf The Ganger
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Totally delusional.
This will never happen. The meek don't call the shots. They never have and they never will. The fact that all Muslims are not homicidal killers is irrelevant.
People of violence only understand one language. There is absolutely no chance of overturning centuries of hate with kind words.
Living In Hope
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So the solution is ? To hold all Muslims accountable for these actions, alienate them all and ultimately try to drive them out of the West ? I knew that there would be comments like this, and I acknowledge my view may not work, but the alternative becomes unthinkable and surely a last resort. I still believe that the majority of people just want to live their lives and be tolerated by others, and we need to strive for that.
eaglesdare
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The majority of people just want to go to a beach without being shot, go to a Christmas market without being run over, get on a tube without being blown up, get on a plane without it flying into a building, go for a walk without hearing Allah akbar and being stabbed etc...
Edit: go to a concert without being blown up, go to a music festival without being shot, taken hostage and starved, raped etc...
Hrolf The Ganger
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The majority are not in charge.
Terrorists are in the West because we have allowed them in. Do you seriously believe that indoctrinated religious fanatics want to talk peace?
Our politicians are gutless self serving morons. They want to gaslight the population while our children are being raped and murdered and our culture replaced.
Living In Hope
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No, I don't believe dialogue is possible with indoctrinated religious fanatics, and therefore dividing them from the rest of the Muslim population becomes incredibly important. Otherwise you badge 6.5% of our population (must be not far off 5m people) as enemies and extremists. That's not right either, and how do you deal with it anyway ? As per previous posts, what I am saying may not be possible, but surely better than the alternative, which feels like potential civil war, and therefore worth striving for, unless you have a better alternative.
Stirlingsays
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How did you get to your age and not understand human nature?
Most people just want to live in peace? That's not how it works.
Take a look around at the state of the nation and how we got here.
Maybe you've lived far too comfortably in life.
People with your hippy crap have left a poisoned legacy for the next generation replete with poverty and conflict.
The road to hell is paved with hippy boomers.
georgenorman
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There is no solution. The future is a Northern Ireland type situation with physical sectarian enclaves with mutual dislike and suspicion and periodic outbreaks of serious violence.
Living In Hope
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That's quite an odd response to what I wrote. You haven't said what your solution is, nor has anyone else. Is it civil war ? Is that your immediate response to this ? Do you believe in collective responsibility for crimes so all Muslims must be held to account for a religious-motivated terror ?
I am neither a hippy nor a boomer, and I am interested in finding the best way forward from where we actually are, not where we would like to be. I have acknowledged multiple times that it might not work, but what is your plan, and that of others making similar comments. Please spell it out and others can judge whether they would try my way before leaping to yours.
And for the record I don't for a moment approve of how we have got here or allowed such a significant number of people into the country who have no alignment with what I believe British values are.
Living In Hope
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I fear you could be right, but my point is that we must surely try to find a better way.
eaglesdare
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Police step up armed patrols amid fears of increased terror risk over festive period
Senior officers have issued a call for vigilance
www.gbnews.com
I guess the increase in police presence is due to the threat of the....far right?
matthau
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matthau
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Spindle
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Well yes, because your suggestion is been tried for decades and all we have are continued attacks, rape gangs and areas which push out all other religions.
Ask yourself why the "communities" remain very quiet whenever such attacks occur, in fact worldwide it wouldn't be hard to find footage of people celebrating the attack in many Muslim countries, openly. Therefore privately there will be a lot lot more. It is barely condemned, ever.
Their instruction manual tells them everything to do, and nowhere does it say "love thy neighbour". It's a dead horse mate, has been since year dot.
It’s so easy you literally can’t find any, can you?
Hahaha. Can’t take being called out for utter nonsense more like.
Stirlingsays
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First off, I don't regard my response as odd at all when you consider what you wrote.
Secondly, you talk as though people should be offering up solutions? Sure of course there are solutions, but the current liberal elites running Europe aren't interested in them. So what are you saying here? That people can't complain and point out the country's existential issues without being badgered for solutions?
Wel from what I've read so far I'm getting significant hippy vibes....the soft centralist stuff that brought us this problem in the first place. But if that's wrong then fair enough.
Solutions?
I did write these out but decided against and edited it out simply because we don't live in a free speech country.
The solutions are hardly rocket science.
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People often quote what the prophet said in the Koran about Muslims living in foreign countries. That they should obey the laws of that country and live peacefully with their neighbours even if they are of a different faith.
What people gloss over is that the prophet said this when Islam was a minority religion and they were being persecuted. In others words keep your heads down lads and don't cause any trouble.
Later in the Koran the language becomes more violent and intolerant because in real life Islam was going from a minority to a majority faith and now they felt they could start imposing their will.
Isn't that what is happening in the West. Initially must Muslims that came led quiet lives and didn't cause any trouble (as a group). Now however they feel confident enough to start demanding their rights and the number of violent attacks is going off the chart.
All from the playbook.
What people gloss over is that the prophet said this when Islam was a minority religion and they were being persecuted. In others words keep your heads down lads and don't cause any trouble.
Later in the Koran the language becomes more violent and intolerant because in real life Islam was going from a minority to a majority faith and now they felt they could start imposing their will.
Isn't that what is happening in the West. Initially must Muslims that came led quiet lives and didn't cause any trouble (as a group). Now however they feel confident enough to start demanding their rights and the number of violent attacks is going off the chart.
All from the playbook.