Ann Widdecombe

[Spiderman]

My view entirely and I made these exact sentiments last evening to those in my company whilst enjoying a tipple in the garden of a delightful Public House.

Had to read this again, thought you had decided to water the flower beds 😂

 

[Mwncisee]

I know many have added their views on Anne Widdecombe on here, and I know this will echo what many have always said but do want to add my 2 pence worth.

I did not always agree with Anne Widdicombe's political views, some I support some I am against.

But, I have always respected her as a politician. She was always willing to debate her politics in an intelligent and respectful way with not just other politicians but members of the public. She would listen and she would engage on what was said respectfully. If she believed in something personally she would argue for it and did not flip-flop to views that she thought would be popularist due to statistics and demographics of voters etc as so many politicians do seem to do these days.

 

[Mwncisee]

The Police gave statements that allowed the media to mislead people, when in truth they should have said there is no position on it at this time.

It's incredibly unprofessional.

In the ideal world I agree but they are now stuck between a rock and a hard place after the Southport Riots. Hence, why they had to say a White male has been arrested etc.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I know many have added their views on Anne Widdecombe on here, and I know this will echo what many have always said but do want to add my 2 pence worth.

I did not always agree with Anne Widdicombe's political views, some I support some I am against.

But, I have always respected her as a politician. She was always willing to debate her politics in an intelligent and respectful way with not just other politicians but members of the public. She would listen and she would engage on what was said respectfully. If she believed in something personally she would argue for it and did not flip-flop to views that she thought would be popularist due to statistics and demographics of voters etc as so many politicians do seem to do these days.

I'd say there wasn't much I'd disagree with her on.

But yours is a perfectly respectable position to have.

A murder is a murder.

 

[Willo]

Had to read this again, thought you had decided to water the flower beds 😂

🤣 🤣 🤣 👍

 

[Stirlingsays]

In the ideal world I agree but they are now stuck between a rock and a hard place after the Southport Riots.

Even more reason to be very careful over statements.

The Police should only be concerned with solving crimes. Getting involved in manipulating how information is presented is a disfigurement and should be fought against....it's why trust goes down.

If a white male has been arrested that's fine to say just as it should be for a black or any other ethnicity. However wordplay is used in some other instances.

 

[Bassak]

It does seem a slight coincidence that the accused man’s mother and two brothers moved to Devon

 

[CrazyBadger]

The Police gave statements that allowed the media to mislead people, when in truth they should have said there is no position on it at this time.

It's incredibly unprofessional.

unprofessional from the Police, or from the Media?

You either have Transparency, or keep your cards close. If they said there was no evidence of terrorism or Political motives, it doesn't mean they'd ruled it out.

 

[Mwncisee]

Even more reason to be very careful over statements.

The Police should only be concerned with solving crimes. Getting involved in manipulating how information is presented is a disfigurement and should be fought against....it's why trust goes down.

If a white male has been arrested that's fine to say just as it should be for a black or any other ethnicity. However wordplay is used in some other instances.

Agree. A hard one to manage, the public want to hear from the Police during an investigation and in some cases the police are helped by information that comes forward from the media's reporting. Glad I'm not the one having to decide what is and isn't said if at all.

 

[McAhuna]

 

[cryrst]

How about. We’ve arrested a white man and will update further once we know more. Not all the flip flopping to try to push a narrative because it will appease people. The truth will come out and my money is on mental health for some reason 🤔

 

[McAhuna]

 

[cryrst]

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So this guy will be dead in a few days then to close it down totally !
Hanging maybe

 

[McAhuna]

The Police gave statements that allowed the media to mislead people, when in truth they should have said there is no position on it at this time.

It's incredibly unprofessional.

'Unprofessional' is an incredibly polite way of putting it.

 

[Matov]

Even more reason to be very careful over statements.

The Police should only be concerned with solving crimes. Getting involved in manipulating how information is presented is a disfigurement and should be fought against....it's why trust goes down.

If a white male has been arrested that's fine to say just as it should be for a black or any other ethnicity. However wordplay is used in some other instances.

f*** it, played nicely on this from the start but since the Police have shown themselves to be the kind of twats we are now know them as then lets digest this....

1. They knew PDQ this was terror related.
2. They also know the country is as hot as well, anger is everywhere and to throw into the mix, a f*** off big England game on the telly with a 22.00 kick off. Meaning the coke/piss head ratio is through the roof.
3. Its obvious that 'white riots' are the establishments biggest nightmare.

So to manage the situation, what you do is give your most prolific local burglar a tug. Bang him up, knowing full well he will go the no-comment route, thus giving you your first press conference to take the immediate heat off.

Then you play it down the following day, all whilst the Anti-Terror mob are tracking down the b****** who actually did it but once again, giving it all the 'White British Male' bit whilst announcing another arrest along with a nice little 'loner with issues' leak.

Until Monday when you come clean about it being terror-related all along...

It is so f***ing predictable now it is almost amusing. Except its not. An old lady lost her life.

One thing for certain is that if this b****** is actually 'white', reckon the fucker might be odds on for having ginger hair. And if you know, you know. (and I talk as a ginger myself).

 

[Nutmegyeti]

f*** it, played nicely on this from the start but since the Police have shown themselves to be the kind of twats we are now know them as then lets digest this....

1. They knew PDQ this was terror related.
2. They also know the country is as hot as well, anger is everywhere and to throw into the mix, a f*** off big England game on the telly with a 22.00 kick off. Meaning the coke/piss head ratio is through the roof.
3. Its obvious that 'white riots' are the establishments biggest nightmare.

So to manage the situation, what you do is give your most prolific local burglar a tug. Bang him up, knowing full well he will go the no-comment route, thus giving you your first press conference to take the immediate heat off.

Then you play it down the following day, all whilst the Anti-Terror mob are tracking down the b****** who actually did it but once again, giving it all the 'White British Male' bit whilst announcing another arrest along with a nice little 'loner with issues' leak.

Until Monday when you come clean about it being terror-related all along...

It is so f***ing predictable now it is almost amusing. Except its not. An old lady lost her life.

One thing for certain is that if this b****** is actually 'white', reckon the fucker might be odds on for having ginger hair. And if you know, you know. (and I talk as a ginger myself).

My old man was in the job for 30 years. Granted, he never made it beyond the heady rank of Detective Constable, but he worked with Special Branch and spent his career actually detecting crime.

The issue is not necessarily the police themselves. Most rank-and-file officers probably share many of the same concerns. I remember my dad having very strong views when police forces began taking the knee. He was the furthest thing from racist, but his view was that a police officer should enforce the law without fear or favour. The police should not be seen to kowtow to anybody, regardless of who they are or how worthy the cause might appear. God knows what he would have made of the Henry Novak situation were he still around.

The old guard, particularly those who had spent years working on the streets, generally understood that distinction. He was not remotely prone to conspiracy theories, but he had seen certain things first-hand, including an incident during the 1970s, which left him with a much less innocent view of how institutions operate.

The wider problem is that the police are increasingly driven by political ideology. The police should not be used as an instrument for social or political change. Naturally, the force must modernise and adapt, and nobody wants officers targeting people because of the colour of their skin. There is no question that abuses have happened and that they must be addressed.

However, policing still has to function in the real world. It is easy for politicians to criticise robust tactics from a safe distance. Take Diane Abbott on the youths on motorcycles and Police cars being used to knock them off - It is rather different when an officer is dealing with someone on a motorcycle carrying a knife and presenting an immediate danger to the public. At that point, the priority has to be stopping the threat, not worrying about how the footage might be interpreted on social media. Frankly I'd reverse back over the little c****.

The police are increasingly being directed by people with no practical experience of working on the streets. Without senior officers and policymakers who genuinely understand what frontline policing involves, the system will continue to make poor decisions.

You can learn an enormous amount from a cultural studies degree, but not necessarily how the world works when somebody is violent, frightened, intoxicated or armed, or indeed simply f***ing mental.

Mike Tyson famously said that everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. The problem is that too many of the people now making these plans have never been anywhere near the punch.

 

[McAhuna]

So a male travelled from Rotherham, killed AW, no sign of attempted burglary, but Police now claiming not terrorism and not politically motivated! So one day he woke up and said “ I know I’m going to travel to Devon and kill AW for fun” Really?

The 'official' stories become ever more obviously lying, ever more obviously corrupt.

We are now at the point that anyone left who isn't a conspiracy theorist must basically be retarded.

 

[Stirlingsays]

unprofessional from the Police, or from the Media?

You either have Transparency, or keep your cards close. If they said there was no evidence of terrorism or Political motives, it doesn't mean they'd ruled it out.

It's unprofessional from the Police and expected from the media.

 

[Stirlingsays]

'Unprofessional' is an incredibly polite way of putting it.

I agree with your anger, but I say unprofessional because, even though I tend to agree with your suspicions I want.....when dealing with the Police to stick to how I think they should operate.

As I say that's with zero criticism of you, as personally I tend to agree with your post.....I think the Police lost the benefit of the doubt quite a while ago now.

If I had been a copper, I like to think that I would have done the job strictly by the book and without reference to my biases.....As the job should actually be done.

But we know that kind of copper is less common now.....Especially within the management who are appointed on a political remit that makes a mockery of what policing should be.

The media helped the politicians make that happen......I'm still shocked by the policies implemented after the MacPherson report and if I had my way that man's estate would be sued.....and if I could everyone who supported it.

 

[Stirlingsays]

My old man was in the job for 30 years. Granted, he never made it beyond the heady rank of Detective Constable, but he worked with Special Branch and spent his career actually detecting crime.

The issue is not necessarily the police themselves. Most rank-and-file officers probably share many of the same concerns. I remember my dad having very strong views when police forces began taking the knee. He was the furthest thing from racist, but his view was that a police officer should enforce the law without fear or favour. The police should not be seen to kowtow to anybody, regardless of who they are or how worthy the cause might appear. God knows what he would have made of the Henry Novak situation were he still around.

The old guard, particularly those who had spent years working on the streets, generally understood that distinction. He was not remotely prone to conspiracy theories, but he had seen certain things first-hand, including an incident during the 1970s, which left him with a much less innocent view of how institutions operate.

The wider problem is that the police are increasingly driven by political ideology. The police should not be used as an instrument for social or political change. Naturally, the force must modernise and adapt, and nobody wants officers targeting people because of the colour of their skin. There is no question that abuses have happened and that they must be addressed.

However, policing still has to function in the real world. It is easy for politicians to criticise robust tactics from a safe distance. Take Diane Abbott on the youths on motorcycles and Police cars being used to knock them off - It is rather different when an officer is dealing with someone on a motorcycle carrying a knife and presenting an immediate danger to the public. At that point, the priority has to be stopping the threat, not worrying about how the footage might be interpreted on social media. Frankly I'd reverse back over the little c****.

The police are increasingly being directed by people with no practical experience of working on the streets. Without senior officers and policymakers who genuinely understand what frontline policing involves, the system will continue to make poor decisions.

You can learn an enormous amount from a cultural studies degree, but not necessarily how the world works when somebody is violent, frightened, intoxicated or armed, or indeed simply f***ing mental.

Mike Tyson famously said that everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. The problem is that too many of the people now making these plans have never been anywhere near the punch.

Great post and I tip my hat to your old man RIP. We badly need a Police force back again in that image.