Andrew Mountbatten Windsor

Forest Hillbilly said:
She was below the age of consent in America, where at least one encounter was alleged to have happened. That's Statutory rape of a minor. If it can be proved in court.
The fact hush money was also paid, doesn't look good.

But you're right on the technicalities. šŸ‘
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I may be wrong but I think their first ā€˜meetingā€™ was in London when she was 17, and as such above the age of consent. A subsequent encounter in the US later when she was still 17 but below the age of consent in that part of the US, probably the issue. Andrew probably got honeytrapprd by Epstein who could then influence him, as Andrew assumed that the legal status was the same in both countries. Happy to be proved wrong on the above.
 
syd snot said:
Not sure about the nonce accusations but one things for certain, he's an odious poncing fat c*** and I'm glad he's had a bit of a comedown.
As for the ginger wench I've always had a suspicion that she's Harry the wankers real ma.
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Yes. It's not about the age of the girl or the argument about being consensual or not. It's about a Royal acting like an arsehole and mixing with extremely unsavoury characters.

He wouldn't be the first Royal to do it, but how was he being allowed to get away with it in this day and age? Margaret allegedly got up to all sorts as a spare Royal, as did some of her Royal predecessors, but that was another time.

Being Royal carries huge responsibility, but it also means huge benefits. Each member of the Royal family should have anything they do approved before they do it. That approval should not allow shagging young girls supplied by dodgy rich Americans.
 
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Badger11 said:
getting rid of the spare was a no brainer, the only question is why did it take so long to do it.
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i wonder if Charles was holding off on doing this. And wanting it to be his final act, as King, before handing over the throne to the next generation ? Do a bit of housekeeping and improve the general vibe among the Palaces. Cleanse the good name of the monarchy for the next century. I bet ya. You heard it here first.

King William on the throne by the end of January.
 
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PalazioVecchio said:
i wonder if Charles was holding off on doing this. And wanting it to be his final act, as King, before handing over the throne to the next generation ? Do a bit of housekeeping and improve the general vibe among the Palaces. Cleanse the good name of the monarchy for the next century. I bet ya. You heard it here first.

King William on the throne by the end of January.
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He also has a difficult Spare
 
I donā€™t think the former Prince Andrew is stupid in the traditional sense.

Heā€™s fluent in English, yet somehow manages to communicate absolutely nothing of value.

That interview he did wasnā€™t a car crash ,it was a controlled demolition of his own reputation, performed live on national television

He tried to outsmart the obvious with a confidence that only comes from privilege.

When asked about sweating, he basically invented a medical condition on the spot, as though thermoregulation were an optional extra for the privileged.

Then came the now-sacred Pizza Express in Woking defence, because, apparently, no one lies about Woking.

But I donā€™t think it was stupidity so much as a masterclass in upper-class delusion, the kind where arrogance is driving, ignorance is navigating, and reason is locked in the boot.

The man wasnā€™t thick, just catastrophically self-assured, convinced he was winning as the rest of us watched him politely start torching his own credibility in real time.

What's it they always say? If you can keep your head whilst all those around you are losing theirs, you probably haven't understood how much s*** you're actually in.
 
F##k him. No smoke without fire. I'm very short fused at the best of times and extra short at the min. If I could move to the moon I'd be there tomorrow. Just need a picture of the fa cup win
 
Irisheagle87 said:
F##k him. No smoke without fire. I'm very short fused at the best of times and extra short at the min. If I could move to the moon I'd be there tomorrow. Just need a picture of the fa cup win
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Prince Andrew. We could put him in the Presidential Residence in Dublin. Instead of our new looney with the Palestine flags. The placement of a privileged English nonce, into the highest Office in the Land, would probably be less offensive. And he would be more talented than our previous leprechaun.

And Andrew deserves to be there cos he has some of the DNA of King Brian Boru.
 
I must admit my days as a monarchist are behind me....but for most of my life I was one.

The main reason I'm not is essentially because I don't believe that the Royal family themselves believe in monarchy and are just as left wing as the culture is. All they believe in is keeping the advantages that being the monarchy gives them. They don't believe in nation and certainly the king nor his sons don't believe in being the English kings.....Which was the fundamental centre point of what it is.

So while Andrew's politics aren't as plainly known, him losing his titles over these claims over Epstein and his now decreased escort doesn't particularly upset me.

But I certainly do see some damage here being done to the fabric of what monarchy is meant to be.....the conceit of it that you are meant to buy into.

Andrew was born a Prince.....I can't help but feel that isn't something you can strip someone of.....He was born royal. If you are going to believe in monarchy....indeed, if you are going to have one.....That you can't strip royal status from someone who is born into it.

Perhaps if he started fighting against his own nation maybe.....But I can't help but feel that regardless of what went on here, that something seriously damaging to the idea of monarchy has happened.

Perhaps in this modern age, there aren't enough people about who actually care......I must admit I don't care that much anymore because I view the monarchy as 'not fit for purpose'.

However, this feels like a step towards its demise.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I must admit my days as a monarchist are behind me....but for most of my life I was one.

The main reason I'm not is essentially because I don't believe that the Royal family themselves believe in monarchy and are just as left wing as the culture is. All they believe in is keeping the advantages that being the monarchy gives them. They don't believe in nation and certainly the king nor his sons don't believe in being the English kings.....Which was the fundamental centre point of what it is.

So while Andrew's politics aren't as plainly known, him losing his titles over these claims over Epstein and his now decreased escort doesn't particularly upset me.

But I certainly do see some damage here being done to the fabric of what monarchy is meant to be.....the conceit of it that you are meant to buy into.

Andrew was born a Prince.....I can't help but feel that isn't something you can strip someone of.....He was born royal. If you are going to believe in monarchy....indeed, if you are going to have one.....That you can't strip royal status from someone who is born into it.

Perhaps if he started fighting against his own nation maybe.....But I can't help but feel that regardless of what went on here, that something seriously damaging to the idea of monarchy has happened.

Perhaps in this modern age, there aren't enough people about who actually care......I must admit I don't care that much anymore because I view the monarchy as 'not fit for purpose'.

However, this feels like a step towards its demise.
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It's ironic because the concept of monarchy is based on the idea of superior genetics, which obviously runs completely counter to left wing ideals.
Royalty is an anachronism, but it serves a purpose in terms of land ownership and our profile abroad.
Most other Royal families have diminished, but ours has stayed strong, up until this point at least, but it would be quite easy to cheer its demise were there appealing alternatives.

The collapse of British Royalty would be another step in the collapse of British culture, and a significant one.
Love them or loath them, they help preserve what remains of our once great nation.

If they go, then maybe it's all over.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I must admit my days as a monarchist are behind me....but for most of my life I was one.

The main reason I'm not is essentially because I don't believe that the Royal family themselves believe in monarchy and are just as left wing as the culture is. All they believe in is keeping the advantages that being the monarchy gives them. They don't believe in nation and certainly the king nor his sons don't believe in being the English kings.....Which was the fundamental centre point of what it is.

So while Andrew's politics aren't as plainly known, him losing his titles over these claims over Epstein and his now decreased escort doesn't particularly upset me.

But I certainly do see some damage here being done to the fabric of what monarchy is meant to be.....the conceit of it that you are meant to buy into.

Andrew was born a Prince.....I can't help but feel that isn't something you can strip someone of.....He was born royal. If you are going to believe in monarchy....indeed, if you are going to have one.....That you can't strip royal status from someone who is born into it.

Perhaps if he started fighting against his own nation maybe.....But I can't help but feel that regardless of what went on here, that something seriously damaging to the idea of monarchy has happened.

Perhaps in this modern age, there aren't enough people about who actually care......I must admit I don't care that much anymore because I view the monarchy as 'not fit for purpose'.

However, this feels like a step towards its demise.
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Youā€™re certainly right on Charles. Canā€™t stand him. Would rather still sing God save the queen. Not sure if youā€™re right about William though. Ever present at England football and rugby matches, keeps a distance from the embarrassing spare brother and uncles. Wife and future queen distances herself from the manipulative Meghan. Canā€™t remember any political comments. Would do well to say nothing. Heard no pro Islamic nonsense from William like Charles.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
Heard no pro Islamic nonsense from William like Charles.
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If you want to argue that Andrew forgot his job-description. Then surely, The same accusation could be levied at the Head of the Church of England ? Either sack the two lads or keep them both. The latter offense is at least as offensive as the former. Its affecting the lives of tens of millions of Brits. History is awash with Royalty who couldnt keep their mickey in their underpants and yet the country trundled along regardless. Some of our most successful Royals were dysfunctional in the bedroom...either too much, too little, or too faraway from their actual legal spouse.

But religion ? history has shown that to be a true powder-keg. Time and again.

And if you believe the link below, wouldn't it represent the very top ( and bottom ) of British society no longer being C of E ? or even Christian anymore ?

 
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Rudi Hedman said:
Youā€™re certainly right on Charles. Canā€™t stand him. Would rather still sing God save the queen. Not sure if youā€™re right about William though. Ever present at England football and rugby matches, keeps a distance from the embarrassing spare brother and uncles. Wife and future queen distances herself from the manipulative Meghan. Canā€™t remember any political comments. Would do well to say nothing. Heard no pro Islamic nonsense from William like Charles.
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I hope you're right about William but I remain to be convinced.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I hope you're right about William but I remain to be convinced.
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clearly his name and reputation are being closely protected. You will never read a bad word published about him. Which is probably correct for somebody expected to carry the burden of that High Office.

Next we will hope that William can keep his side of the bargain. Take lessons from all the famous people who made a fool of themselves......Gary Linekar, Prince Andrew, etc etc.....and try to follow the Stately example of QEII
 
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