Time to start doing Business Steve..!!

[Inquisitive Aquila]

Before the end of last season in an interview Glasner was asked about Freedman leaving, his response was that planning for next season had started in February. On the Rest is football Parish told Lineker that planning had to be a year in advance due to various factors such as contracts expiring.
It just seems odd that despite the above and Glasner`s description of our transfer activity as 'passive' that so little has happened.

 

[Jim_Cannon]

Not really, if Liverpool have a bid accepted, he would be pretty stupid to turn them down.

Guehi wants to play in the World Cup and therefore wants assurances he will play regularly. He is clearly smart guy as could have signed new contract with us for more money while back. He is playing a game of poker and I would suggest has a very strong hand.

He can wait if doesn’t get the assurances and would open up to some of the big European teams in January

 

[PatrickA]

Before the end of last season in an interview Glasner was asked about Freedman leaving, his response was that planning for next season had started in February. On the Rest is football Parish told Lineker that planning had to be a year in advance due to various factors such as contracts expiring.
It just seems odd that despite the above and Glasner`s description of our transfer activity as 'passive' that so little has happened.

I agree.
Furthermore, after the Cup Final win Parish said there was a player Palace had been interested in previously, but didn't seem that keen at the time.
Parish went on to say that after the Cup Final win the player's representative had made contact to revisit a possible deal.
Parish was suggesting that the win had put us on the map and made us a more attractive proposition.
Not that attractive so far this summer it would seem.

 

[Jim_Cannon]

I agree.
Furthermore, after the Cup Final win Parish said there was a player Palace had been interested in previously, but didn't seem that keen at the time.
Parish went on to say that after the Cup Final win the player's representative had made contact to revisit a possible deal.
Parish was suggesting that the win had put us on the map and made us a more attractive proposition.
Not that attractive so far this summer it would seem.

This summer is as much about keeping what we had. Agree we need couple more but I am comfortable if we retain our best players any further signings are frees, loans or low cost deals

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

Reports now circulating that Marc and Ebbs more than likely to stay..!!

Read into that what you will..!!

But if that’s the case we probably only need 3 more signings - centre back, midfielder and a forward - all for depth really..!!

Look our procrastination in the window has been normal SP - but if you look at it objectively - if we keep the squad together then add 3 more to the 2 already signed we’re sorted..!!

Do I believe this was always the master plan - do I hell - but through sheer obstinance Parish may have pulled it off..!!

Downside means Guehi will go on a free at the end of next season and Eze will only have a year left on his contract..!!

So it’s fraught with risk and a big downside for us in terms of incoming transfer revenue..!!

Strategically is it right - no..!!

But in terms of next season - we keep the squad together that has just won 2 major trophies, then add 3 to that - we’re going to be very competitive indeed..!!

Time will tell..!!

COYP

 

[Den1923]

I brought this up yesterday and according to runningman dreamwaverider madcap-v2 dogburger chris123
Charle b samprior it only applies to the profit we make on him and not the sell on fee.

Looks that I was wrong then as just checked and below is AI says:-



if an EPL player's contract with a sell-on clause, the percentage the original club receives is generally based on the profit of the subsequent sale, not the total sale price. This means the original club gets a cut of the difference between the original sale price and the new sale price, not a percentage of the entire new fee.

Here's a breakdown:

• Initial Transfer:
  Club A sells a player to Club B for £10 million with a 10% sell-on clause.
• Potential Future Transfer:
  Club B later sells the same player to Club C for £20 million.
• Sell-on Fee:
  Club A would be entitled to 10% of the profit, which is £1 million (10% of (£20 million - £10 million)), according to thefootballfreak.com.
• If the player is sold for less:
  If Club B sold the player for £10 million or less, Club A would receive nothing.

Essentially, the sell-on clause is designed to give the selling club a share of the potential future profit generated by the player's success and appreciation in value.

 

[rob1861]

Looks that I was wrong then as just checked and below is AI says:-



if an EPL player's contract with a sell-on clause, the percentage the original club receives is generally based on the profit of the subsequent sale, not the total sale price. This means the original club gets a cut of the difference between the original sale price and the new sale price, not a percentage of the entire new fee.

Here's a breakdown:

• Initial Transfer:
  Club A sells a player to Club B for £10 million with a 10% sell-on clause.
• Potential Future Transfer:
  Club B later sells the same player to Club C for £20 million.
• Sell-on Fee:
  Club A would be entitled to 10% of the profit, which is £1 million (10% of (£20 million - £10 million)), according to thefootballfreak.com.
• If the player is sold for less:
  If Club B sold the player for £10 million or less, Club A would receive nothing.

Essentially, the sell-on clause is designed to give the selling club a share of the potential future profit generated by the player's success and appreciation in value.

Hey Den, Unless Dougie was training chatGPT/gemini/other AI tool on the actual contracts we used for the players in question we have no idea on the structure of the contract and payments there in. I get it's fun to have the conversation but we don't know is the answer.

P.S. if Dougie was popping the contracts into ChatGPT that's a major data breach lol

 

[PatrickA]

Reports now circulating that Marc and Ebbs more than likely to stay..!!

Read into that what you will..!!

But if that’s the case we probably only need 3 more signings - centre back, midfielder and a forward - all for depth really..!!

Look our procrastination in the window has been normal SP - but if you look at it objectively - if we keep the squad together then add 3 more to the 2 already signed we’re sorted..!!

Do I believe this was always the master plan - do I hell - but through sheer obstinance Parish may have pulled it off..!!

Downside means Guehi will go on a free at the end of next season and Eze will only have a year left on his contract..!!

So it’s fraught with risk and a big downside for us in terms of incoming transfer revenue..!!

Strategically is it right - no..!!

But in terms of next season - we keep the squad together that has just won 2 major trophies, then add 3 to that - we’re going to be very competitive indeed..!!

Time will tell..!!

COYP

If this pans out as you have indicated I think the majority on here will be reasonably content.
The nagging doubts?
Parish made it clear only a few days ago that he couldn't countenance letting Guehi go for free.
He's not going to force him out the door, but there could be a twist or two yet.
Furthermore, Glasner specifically asked for 'quality 'additions.
I take it that he's looking for players who can slot in during games or as substitutes without a noticeable deterioration of the team on the field.

 

[DenTyler]

I think Guehi holds all the cards TBH

No he doesn’t if Parrish has some balls. See my post in the MG thread.

 

[Painter]

If this pans out as you have indicated I think the majority on here will be reasonably content.
The nagging doubts?
Parish made it clear only a few days ago that he couldn't countenance letting Guehi go for free.
He's not going to force him out the door, but there could be a twist or two yet.
Furthermore, Glasner specifically asked for 'quality 'additions.
I take it that he's looking for players who can slot in during games or as substitutes without a noticeable deterioration of the team on the field.

Why wouldn't he ask for quality players. No manager is going to ask for a couple of crap players to fill the squad out.

 

[PatrickA]

Why wouldn't he ask for quality players. No manager is going to ask for a couple of crap players to fill the squad out.

Let me enlighten you
He doesn't want an inexperienced rookie signing from e.g the Championship to come on for Eze or Sarr when he's trying to win a game.
He doesn't want e.g a Jach type signing to have to come on for an injured Lacroix.
It's not rocket science.

 

[sprites]

Reports now circulating that Marc and Ebbs more than likely to stay..!!

Read into that what you will..!!

But if that’s the case we probably only need 3 more signings - centre back, midfielder and a forward - all for depth really..!!

Look our procrastination in the window has been normal SP - but if you look at it objectively - if we keep the squad together then add 3 more to the 2 already signed we’re sorted..!!

Do I believe this was always the master plan - do I hell - but through sheer obstinance Parish may have pulled it off..!!

Downside means Guehi will go on a free at the end of next season and Eze will only have a year left on his contract..!!

So it’s fraught with risk and a big downside for us in terms of incoming transfer revenue..!!

Strategically is it right - no..!!

But in terms of next season - we keep the squad together that has just won 2 major trophies, then add 3 to that - we’re going to be very competitive indeed..!!

Time will tell..!!

COYP

We have plenty of depth in midfield.

 

[pssguy]

Looks that I was wrong then as just checked and below is AI says:-



if an EPL player's contract with a sell-on clause, the percentage the original club receives is generally based on the profit of the subsequent sale, not the total sale price. This means the original club gets a cut of the difference between the original sale price and the new sale price, not a percentage of the entire new fee.

Here's a breakdown:

• Initial Transfer:
  Club A sells a player to Club B for £10 million with a 10% sell-on clause.
• Potential Future Transfer:
  Club B later sells the same player to Club C for £20 million.
• Sell-on Fee:
  Club A would be entitled to 10% of the profit, which is £1 million (10% of (£20 million - £10 million)), according to thefootballfreak.com.
• If the player is sold for less:
  If Club B sold the player for £10 million or less, Club A would receive nothing.

Essentially, the sell-on clause is designed to give the selling club a share of the potential future profit generated by the player's success and appreciation in value.

A share of the selling price would not make much sense, You could buy from club A for 20m and sell for 10m to Club B. Hardly expect to pony up more to Club A in this case

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Looks that I was wrong then as just checked and below is AI says:-



if an EPL player's contract with a sell-on clause, the percentage the original club receives is generally based on the profit of the subsequent sale, not the total sale price. This means the original club gets a cut of the difference between the original sale price and the new sale price, not a percentage of the entire new fee.

Here's a breakdown:

• Initial Transfer:
  Club A sells a player to Club B for £10 million with a 10% sell-on clause.
• Potential Future Transfer:
  Club B later sells the same player to Club C for £20 million.
• Sell-on Fee:
  Club A would be entitled to 10% of the profit, which is £1 million (10% of (£20 million - £10 million)), according to thefootballfreak.com.
• If the player is sold for less:
  If Club B sold the player for £10 million or less, Club A would receive nothing.

Essentially, the sell-on clause is designed to give the selling club a share of the potential future profit generated by the player's success and appreciation in value.

Yea , i got it wrong also. On the plus side of him running down his contract at least we wont have to give Chelsea anything 😊

 

[Phil’s Barber]

We have plenty of depth in midfield.

Not sure about that.

We ended up playing Guehi and Devenny as our centre midfield pairing last season due to injuries and suspension and we have only added Romain Esse to our squad, in terms of the of the midfield since then. Realistically he is also more of a right winger than midfielder.

 

[sprites]

Not sure about that.

We ended up playing Guehi and Devenny as our centre midfield pairing last season due to injuries and suspension and we have only added Romain Esse to our squad, in terms of the of the midfield since then. Realistically he is also more of a right winger than midfielder.

Wharton and Hughes are a really good PL midfield pairing.
Then add to that Lerma, Kamada, Doucoure (eventually) and Devenny.

I'd argue it's the position we have the most strength in depth in.

 

[Painter]

Let me enlighten you
He doesn't want an inexperienced rookie signing from e.g the Championship to come on for Eze or Sarr when he's trying to win a game.
He doesn't want e.g a Jach type signing to have to come on for an injured Lacroix.
It's not rocket science.

Its not rocket science, as every manager ask's for quality players, its not an unusual request from Glasner.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Wharton and Hughes are a really good PL midfield pairing.
Then add to that Lerma, Kamada, Doucoure (eventually) and Devenny.

I'd argue it's the position we have the most strength in depth in.

If you lose Wharton from that midfield for any reason, your creativity is gone. It is really Wharton plus one out of those players although Devenny is starting to improve.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Wharton and Hughes are a really good PL midfield pairing.
Then add to that Lerma, Kamada, Doucoure (eventually) and Devenny.

I'd argue it's the position we have the most strength in depth in.

The fact that's probably true speaks massively to the problem!

I think Wharton is a top-level, international standard midfielder (I know Lerma & Kamada are regular internationals, but neither for top level national sides).

I think Doucoure was on a path to that sort of level but has been really derailed by injuries - remains to be seen if he ever recovers to the same standard as we saw in his first season, but he's certainly not going to be any sort of reliable depth before Christmas.

I'd argue that Hughes, Lerma & Kamada are all in the bracket below, to varying degrees - good PL players who can certainly play at this level.

Devenny as one of the two deeper midfielders is pretty much an unknown - most of his appearances have been further forward.

 

[PatrickA]

On the face of it our midfield options are strong.
However, that can change if Lerma is pressed into action in a back 3 and Kamada/Devenny play in advanced roles if Eze or Sarr are unavailable or substituted.
All of the above happened last season and there's no reason to suspect it won't happen again this season.

Therefore, yes, we're ok in midfield as long as we strenghten in defence and attack to obviate the need to shift the midfield players into other positions .