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Spiderman said:
Probably get off at Calais and hop on a boat.They would be the same French that can’t stop inflatable boats then? I’m not sure French Border Control assess potential entrants to the UK, only those going the other way
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Not if the French officials don’t allow them to travel back to France! They operate visa controls at Dover I believe.
 
I see RFK Jnr has removed all the funding into mRNA vaccines in the USA, citing concerns into their inability to cope with mutations.

Which is nonsense, as all vaccines need to be amended to cope with mutations. The mRNA types having the distinct advantage of being able to be done very swiftly. Cutting this research threatens our ability to respond to another pandemic in a timely way and opens the door to a disaster.

When this man is known to hold weird and unscientific prejudices putting him in charge of a department that supports leading edge scientific research is beyond stupid. It’s irresponsible.

What a crazy system they have in the USA when people like Trump and JFK Jnr can make really bad decisions, based solely on their own beliefs, that impact the lives of so many. Congress really needs to start to exercise its co-equal power.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I see RFK Jnr has removed all the funding into mRNA vaccines in the USA, citing concerns into their inability to cope with mutations.

Which is nonsense, as all vaccines need to be amended to cope with mutations. The mRNA types having the distinct advantage of being able to be done very swiftly. Cutting this research threatens our ability to respond to another pandemic in a timely way and opens the door to a disaster.

When this man is known to hold weird and unscientific prejudices putting him in charge of a department that supports leading edge scientific research is beyond stupid. It’s irresponsible.

What a crazy system they have in the USA when people like Trump and JFK Jnr can make really bad decisions, based solely on their own beliefs, that impact the lives of so many. Congress really needs to start to exercise its co-equal power.
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They don’t like science, data, or any sort of evidence from academia. Just vibes and evangelical belief.

Race to the bottom led by idiots, followed by morons.
 
Stirlingsays said:
How's your US economic collapse going by the way?
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I note that no one actually replied to my post showing that their underlying economy is still extremely fragile. Check out US voters’ satisfaction with Trump’s handling of the economy.

Economic forecasting and medical science are two very different things, in any case.

How are the measles cases going in the US amongst the anti-vax galaxy brains?
 
DanH said:
I note that no one actually replied to my post showing that their underlying economy is still extremely fragile. Check out US voters’ satisfaction with Trump’s handling of the economy.

Economic forecasting and medical science are two very different things, in any case.

How are the measles cases going in the US amongst the anti-vax galaxy brains?
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Let's just remember how hard you were going on the economic collapse.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Not if the French officials don’t allow them to travel back to France! They operate visa controls at Dover I believe.
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I’m not sure how this relates to what I posted 🤔. You initially stated they would be turned back at Dover by the French, which is obviously not true ( and I actually said buses to Calais not Dover).The French operate a Border Control for those travelling to France, as I said. The migrants would hop on a boat ie a dinghy as they all seem to.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Let's just remember how hard you were going on the economic collapse.
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‘Collapse’ is you being a bit naughty.

Quite rightly pointed out that the tariffs were likely to push the US economy into a technical recession of two quarters of negative growth due to import levels, and that they were only negative for the US consumer as they are inflationary as it is ultimately them that pays them as most are fully passed on, and reduces choice.

None of that is incorrect. The Q2 data will give a better overall picture of the tariff impact when you look at the first half of the year.
 
Spiderman said:
I’m not sure how this relates to what I posted 🤔. You initially stated they would be turned back at Dover by the French, which is obviously not true ( and I actually said buses to Calais not Dover).The French operate a Border Control for those travelling to France, as I said. The migrants would hop on a boat ie a dinghy as they all seem to.
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If my understanding is correct French officials are based at Dover, just as ours are at Calais, to check that those travelling to France possess the correct paperwork. Therefore any buses trying to board ferries with undocumented migrants would be turned back. They wouldn’t get back to Calais and able to retry using a small boat.
 
DanH said:
‘Collapse’ is you being a bit naughty.

Quite rightly pointed out that the tariffs were likely to push the US economy into a technical recession of two quarters of negative growth due to import levels, and that they were only negative for the US consumer as they are inflationary as it is ultimately them that pays them as most are fully passed on, and reduces choice.

None of that is incorrect. The Q2 data will give a better overall picture of the tariff impact when you look at the first half of the year.
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Fair enough.....I'll extend you the time.

Just to be clear by the way I do think that the US is heading for collapse, but that it's about their policies since Clinton....bad loan bank regulations started under him and whether it's been Republican or Democrat it's been the same neoliberal crap leading up to 2008 and it's hardly changed since.....printing money for the rich kids doesn't change the underlying rot within the system.

Trump, if anything, is a delay as he's good for investment and thus the stock market and I believe he's good for jobs (he's doing the right long term thing there...but the next administration gets more out of that than he will due to how long it takes to build new infrastructure).

But the collapse is coming nevertheless, Trump or no Trump.

I'm on record as saying it happens before 2030 or around there at least a couple of years either side.

It's a neoliberal thing and a changing world economy thing.
 
Stirlingsays said:
How's your US economic collapse going by the way?
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firstly the US economy was actually in really good shape when Trump took over, despite his repeated comments that the US was on it's knees. Since Covid under Biden the US economy had grown c2.5% each year and the job data was very good - in fact i believe more jobs were 'created' during Biden's 4 years than any other president.
However, let's not let facts get in the way.

Clearly tariffs will act like a tax (on American people, who ultimately will pay for them) and will increase inflation. However, thus far the tariffs haven't really impacted much (there was mass purchasing in Q1 to avoid any tariff impact) and despite what Trump says there are many areas where trading is exempt from tariffs.

If you follow US economy data it is actually very mixed. Whilst some areas have had a slow down the big 7 have gained massively due to AI etc.

However, longer term if cheap labour (migrants) is reduced what will happen to prices? If Apple do start making phones etc in the US rather than China etc, what do you think will happen to price and possibly quality?
If you sack Head of Statistics because you don't like the numbers can we even rely on the data?

If you listen to those not up Trump's arse many are concerned that the US may go into recession. JP Morgan CEO, Dimon, is a good person to follow if you want a balance view.
 
NMPalace said:
firstly the US economy was actually in really good shape when Trump took over, despite his repeated comments that the US was on it's knees. Since Covid under Biden the US economy had grown c2.5% each year and the job data was very good - in fact i believe more jobs were 'created' during Biden's 4 years than any other president.
However, let's not let facts get in the way.

Clearly tariffs will act like a tax (on American people, who ultimately will pay for them) and will increase inflation. However, thus far the tariffs haven't really impacted much (there was mass purchasing in Q1 to avoid any tariff impact) and despite what Trump says there are many areas where trading is exempt from tariffs.

If you follow US economy data it is actually very mixed. Whilst some areas have had a slow down the big 7 have gained massively due to AI etc.

However, longer term if cheap labour (migrants) is reduced what will happen to prices? If Apple do start making phones etc in the US rather than China etc, what do you think will happen to price and possibly quality?
If you sack Head of Statistics because you don't like the numbers can we even rely on the data?

If you listen to those not up Trump's arse many are concerned that the US may go into recession. JP Morgan CEO, Dimon, is a good person to follow if you want a balance view.
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This fantasy revisionism.

First on the jobs.

Biden's job figures have to take into account the bounce back from Covid where massive numbers of jobs were lost...it was a slow bounce...but it was always going to bounce back to some extent......That choice of Democrat covid policy by the way.....The choice to close down businesses and mask up and keep people in homes was a political one. Florida didn't do it and didn't suffer anything like the economic nightmare. Sweden were far more sensible and economically suffered far less while faring roughly no different when you compare to now.

Then it comes down to what jobs exactly? Are those jobs with wages that keep pace with inflation and earn people enough to live ok.....Errrrr....I think not.

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of your leftist website propaganda eh.

Neo/social liberalism's group think destroyed western economies.

Secondly your tariffs are a tax on the American people line....I hear this rather a lot....but have you actually thought about that?

It's hardly rocket science.

There are no tariffs on American versions of these goods. So it doesn't exactly take a genius to work out that for the working class these tariffs are largely meaningless as they will just choose the cheaper American version. Internal America good sales will go up. What does this do for inflation....We will see longer term.

You mention phones....Yet you only have to check what the actual reality is on that regarding tariffs....I doubt you did that. According to Grok:

'In April 2025, the Trump administration exempted smartphones, computers, and other electronics from the steep "reciprocal tariffs" imposed on Chinese imports (145%) and the 10% baseline tariffs on goods from most other countries.'

Trump's administration isn't as stupid as your propaganda likes to suggest, exemptions cover most smartphones and electric goods that Americans can't get alternative options on.

Trump has commitments from several technology companies Nvideo, Apple to shift some production investment to America.....now those are proper wage jobs. But those factories and jobs won't appear for years. This is Trump doing something good for the US economy long term, not just the usual short term politics of most Presidents.

My reading of the tariffs is that the American consumer will get a reduced option on foreign goods as a result of tariffs as the companies who can't remain competitive will cut their losses. But mostly those expensive foreign goods already out of the range of most consumers will remain as their clients can afford them anyway.

America will get reduced options at the low end but that's not going to bother most people but it's also true that America are also going to have quite a lot of global foreign supply chains shifted away from them over time.....However, the US has the means to be self dependent for most of its needs unlike most other countries.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
This fantasy revisionism.

First on the jobs.

Biden's job figures have to take into account the bounce back from Covid where massive numbers of jobs were lost...it was a slow bounce...but it was always going to bounce back to some extent......That choice of Democrat covid policy by the way.....The choice to close down businesses and mask up and keep people in homes was a political one. Florida didn't do it and didn't suffer anything like the economic nightmare. Sweden were far more sensible and economically suffered far less while faring roughly no different when you compare to now.

Then it comes down to what jobs exactly? Are those jobs with wages that keep pace with inflation and earn people enough to live ok.....Errrrr....I think not.

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of your leftist website propaganda eh.

Neo/social liberalism's group think destroyed western economies.

Secondly your tariffs are a tax on the American people line....I hear this rather a lot....but have you actually thought about that?

It's hardly rocket science.

There are no tariffs on American versions of these goods. So it doesn't exactly take a genius to work out that for the working class these tariffs are largely meaningless as they will just choose the cheaper American version. Internal America good sales will go up. What does this do for inflation....We will see longer term.

You mention phones....Yet you only have to check what the actual reality is on that regarding tariffs....I doubt you did that. According to Grok:

'In April 2025, the Trump administration exempted smartphones, computers, and other electronics from the steep "reciprocal tariffs" imposed on Chinese imports (145%) and the 10% baseline tariffs on goods from most other countries.'

Trump's administration isn't as stupid as your propaganda likes to suggest, exemptions cover most smartphones and electric goods that Americans can't get alternative options on.

Trump has commitments from several technology companies Nvideo, Apple to shift some production investment to America.....now those are proper wage jobs. But those factories and jobs won't appear for years. This is Trump doing something good for the US economy long term, not just the usual short term politics of most Presidents.

My reading of the tariffs is that the American consumer will get a reduced option on foreign goods as a result of tariffs as the companies who can't remain competitive will cut their losses. But mostly those expensive foreign goods already out of the range of most consumers will remain as their clients can afford them anyway.

America will get reduced options at the low end but that's not going to bother most people but it's also true that America are also going to have quite a lot of global foreign supply chains shifted away from them over time.....However, the US has the means to be self dependent for most of its needs unlike most other countries.
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Even if America makes more of their own goods the US companies still have to import a lot of the raw materials to make them. And guess what the US companies have to pay when they import those raw materials? Yep, tariffs. And in a lot of cases the US labour is more expensive. So two increased costs of production. And guess what happens to the price of a good to a consumer when the cost of production goes up? The purchase price goes up.

In many cases even US manufactured goods made by US companies will still be more expensive.

Higher prices and less choice. What a win for the US consumer.
 
DanH said:
Even if America makes more of their own goods the US companies still have to import a lot of the raw materials to make them. And guess what the US companies have to pay when they import those raw materials? Yep, tariffs. And in a lot of cases the US labour is more expensive. So two increased costs of production. And guess what happens to the price of a good to a consumer when the cost of production goes up? The purchase price goes up.

In many cases even US manufactured goods made by US companies will still be more expensive.

Higher prices and less choice. What a win for the US consumer.
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America has a lot of raw materials itself but if you had noticed Trump has made a point of making deals on raw materials that it doesn't have so I think that answers that one.....American companies aren't slow on this and Trump isn't putting tariffs on what the American market can't produce itself.....The left shouldn't fool itself.

As for the price of most American goods, the price won't necessarily go up simply due to the fact that these goods already exist in the market now. Less choice....yes....Higher prices? Unlikely not for most goods that Americans need....there's enough competition within the American market to keep internal prices stable.

The higher prices will be on those premium foreign goods that those with money can afford anyway.....Most foreign goods on low end products will shift their supply chains away.

Now the price of technological goods like phones? Well, when those jobs come on line...years away, there will be some effect due to when American workers on good wages (apparently a bad thing?) Wages that can support their families....I thought you were meant to be a socialist 🙂

That is probable at some point....but like I said, it'll take years for those factories to be built and this is something Trump is doing for the long term...by then automation would have reduced some of those issues ..and it's sensible anyway to on-shore certain technologies for several reasons like security and avoiding brain draining reasons.

Trump isn't interested in on-shoring jobs where people are doing repetitive low skilled jobs....that's obviously not what is happening. He's interested in the high technology jobs and on-shoring them.

Wages in places like China and India are going up anyway and this advertising for the exploiting of low wages foreign workers (always amusing for me when I hear the left say this out loud) is on a timer and will be coming to an end eventually anyway.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
If my understanding is correct French officials are based at Dover, just as ours are at Calais, to check that those travelling to France possess the correct paperwork. Therefore any buses trying to board ferries with undocumented migrants would be turned back. They wouldn’t get back to Calais and able to retry using a small boat.
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Totally irrelevant answer to what I posted, I posted about getting a bus from Greece directly to Calais, post #4934. Quite why you have mentioned French Border Control stopping them at Dover, travelling to France, has somewhat bemused me
 
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