Woke is alive and well

[Stirlingsays]

How come you are a socialist then?

I like to socialize?

I think you must mean Dan.

 

[Spindle]

So let’s take it back to when my parents were young and attitudes were totally different.
Firstly, when my parents married my mother had to give up work as it was expected that she would have children and would be concentrating on their wellbeing
Secondly, they managed on one salary (I am not sure if you could get two salary mortgages then). Sure, we didn’t go on foreign holidays nor have a car but we were happy. My father was out of work for about 6 months but we seemed to cope.
Thirdly, my uncle had to marry his lady friend in order to take a foreign holiday; maybe she was expected to travel on his passport, but the holiday company would not accept a ‘two singles’ booking.
The introduction of the pill meant a woman had a right to choose and this spread to her right whether to work or not. More money in the system means more ways to spend it and with that came house inflation. So, for people like Dan (whom I have every sympathy for on this topic), would his family be better off in the 50s/60s, and would he be prepared to give up the freedoms we now have to have the same lifestyle as then?

Ironically the biggest complaint from his crowd is how easy boomers had it.

 

[Spindle]

The Google AI is a feminist now?

Lol didn't they get their AI picture generator pulled for racism last year??

Why don't YOU think for yourself, it seems like you don't.

 

[DanH]

If you massively increased the workforce, and encouraged women to be living independently , would that have compounding effect?

If you can show me some data to confirm this I’ll accept your argument.

 

[DanH]

Lol didn't they get their AI picture generator pulled for racism last year??

Why don't YOU think for yourself, it seems like you don't.

All we have at the moment is you making a bold claim and sh*tting the bed because you can’t back it up.

 

[Spindle]

That's what left wing academics do. All the time. 'Intellectually dishonest' to you too Dan.

Just like the feminist academics who seek evidence of women being an underclass , deserving of a legal and financial help-up. These academics decide their answers BEFORE they conduct their research. You may as well try to win an argument with a beardy loon at Hyde Park corner.

Feminism is hate-speech. They dont like it much when you turn their own Orwellian language back at them. But true. Feminists hate 50% of the Worlds population. They are mostly mentally ill and in medieval times would have been committed to living in a Convent/Nunnery.

Feminists. Focussing on victimhood and the Patriarchy. I always imagine a female professor at Harvard/Yale/Princeton who lives in a mansion and gets Carlos, the nice mexican gardener, to prune her rose-bushes. It saves her the time of doing the gardening herself so that she can focus on writing articles about how the concept of the male as the 'head of household' is an anachronism ( her words). She is single & has twins via IVF from a Sperm bank. Carlos's wife & kids love him but think he works too hard.

The quote below is from the Feminist stunner 'Andrea Dworkin' an intellectual giant, giantess, giant-i-they, in a World of intellectual pygmies.

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He just doesn't understand the true intention of the very beginning of feminism by Kate Millet, a woman who had an abusive drunken father who beat her mother.

Wiki won't be transcribing the minutes of the first meeting she held which talked of the intention to destroy men by destroying the nuclear family and using the promotion of sexual degeneracy to do it. This was 70 years ago

 

[Spindle]

No wonder all the women posters bar one disappeared from here too.

So you are saying that they used to be around, but since the culture wars, rise of 3rd wave feminism and the simp beta man, they've disappeared.

Hmmmm.

 

[Spindle]

Why do so many people on here think they can post something unfounded on here and not back it up with anything even resembling any sort of evidence to back it up?

Anything online suggests any correlation is tenuous at best so unless you provide something concrete it’s just another theory with no actual proof.

You are the one denying that women going into the workplace in their millions had any effect on house prices

 

[Spiderman]

So convenient when you can just dismiss an academic with a label and completely disregard it immediately in your own head isn’t it.

So intellectually dishonest.

I think you will find right wing academics have been dismissed on here many times. Will keep your last paragraph in mind when it next happens

 

[georgenorman]

I like to socialize?

I think you must mean Dan.

Sorry! You are right, I thought it was Dan who posted it!

 

[Spiderman]

Why do so many people on here think they can post something unfounded on here and not back it up with anything even resembling any sort of evidence to back it up?

Anything online suggests any correlation is tenuous at best so unless you provide something concrete it’s just another theory with no actual proof.

Haven’t you been quoting AI?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Sorry! You are right, I thought it was Dan who posted it!

That's cool.

I had a rather enjoyable moment of considering how I'd defend being a socialist.

 

[DanH]

You are the one denying that women going into the workplace in their millions had any effect on house prices

I’m not saying any effect - to be honest this is the kind of stuff I get semi aroused about trying to find out if it is true or not as many unintended factors have an unexpected impact - but I need some data to assess whether it is true or not.

On a semi related note - the book Freakanokics is a really good read. How some decisions have completely unintended and unexpected consequences. There’s a really good study on how the original Wade v Roe decision is linked to higher crime in the US.

 

[DanH]

That's cool.

I had a rather enjoyable moment of considering how I'd defend being a socialist.

Can you pretend it was for you and do it anyway?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Can you pretend it was for you and do it anyway?

Well, if I think if I were a socialist, rather than make economic arguments based upon equality and social welfare (the latter I have some sympathy for) I think I would stress upon the universialist aspect of socialism and how that global cooperation is inevitable if humanity is ultimately going to survive.

The socialist argument against the wealth class hoarding to much of people's wealth is also a powerful argument but that argument isn't just owned by the socialists as it's something the DR would also agree with.

Regardless that battle between the rich and the rest is at the hub of the socialist argument. I think most people would agree with the socialist position there to some extent, the point of difference is how you go about tackling that.

 

[eaglesdare]

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[georgenorman]

Well, if I think if I were a socialist, rather than make economic arguments based upon equality and social welfare (the latter I have some sympathy for) I think I would stress upon the universialist aspect of socialism and how that global cooperation is inevitable if humanity is ultimately going to survive.

The socialist argument against the wealth class hoarding to much of people's wealth is also a powerful argument but that argument isn't just owned by the socialists as it's something the DR would also agree with.

Regardless that battle between the rich and the rest is at the hub of the socialist argument. I think most people would agree with the socialist position there to some extent, the point of difference is how you go about tackling that.

I think the biggest problem with Socialism is the government having our money and running most things - they would struggle to run a bath successfully and are financially incompetent. Oh, and the very people whose lives they are supposed to improve end up worse off under them.

 

[DanH]

Well, if I think if I were a socialist, rather than make economic arguments based upon equality and social welfare (the latter I have some sympathy for) I think I would stress upon the universialist aspect of socialism and how that global cooperation is inevitable if humanity is ultimately going to survive.

The socialist argument against the wealth class hoarding to much of people's wealth is also a powerful argument but that argument isn't just owned by the socialists as it's something the DR would also agree with.

Regardless that battle between the rich and the rest is at the hub of the socialist argument. I think most people would agree with the socialist position there to some extent, the point of difference is how you go about tackling that.

An excellent post, sir. Always think a lot of us see the same problems, just think there’s different solutions to them.

 

[DanH]

I think the biggest problem with Socialism is the government having our money and running most things - they would struggle to run a bath successfully and are financially incompetent. Oh, and the very people whose lives they are supposed to improve end up worse off under them.

Don’t disagree with this.

 

[georgenorman]

An excellent post, sir. Always think a lot of us see the same problems, just think there’s different solutions to them.

Agreed. I’ve got a whole lot more time for your posts than those of the Sage of Cornwall.