Woke is alive and well

[eaglesdare]

At least islam have the right idea. Woman arnt allowed to work and they have to pop out 5-6 kids. The men are also allowed to take multiple wives.

 

[Spindle]

At least islam have the right idea. Woman arnt allowed to work and they have to pop out 5-6 kids. The men are also allowed to take multiple wives.

It's more extreme than I agree with but it works better than the bollocks which is giving us a collapsed birth rate, single mothers and a soon to be 60% divorce rate

 

[Stirlingsays]

At least islam have the right idea. Woman arnt allowed to work and they have to pop out 5-6 kids. The men are also allowed to take multiple wives.

Yep, like Spindle says too extreme for western tastes but it keys into the observation I made to Dan that the liberal's attitude towards reproduction...especially the educated middle classes, is self defeating as it cedes the future to the religious.

Obviously if those religious were Christians there wouldn't a concern however, the prospect of this country becoming Islamic should be of concern to anyone western.....It wouldn't be fundamentalist but essentially it would be a 'Turkey' type of Islamic state in Northern Europe.....with everything that comes with that.

An utter disfigurement of what this country was and second class citizenship for non muslims....because if you take at look at Turkey that's the practical reality.

 

[DanH]

Chicken and egg. Think Dan.

WHY did it become unaffordable? (Unaffordable is your perception, like I said, you put money before life). Why?

Market forces. More working couples, higher prices. That can be reversed.

Also, yes I expect government support if required, not so you can have a foreign all inclusive holiday and 2 decent cars though.

I'm not much older than you. I raised twins, my wife was at home, then part time until they were 15. We had cheap camping holidays when we could, a terraced house and shared a bit of a banger that I did the small jobs on. We didn't go out much at all. It's ALWAYS been hard but your reward was a solid family and legacy, well it used to be until this 3rd wave feminism especially.

When you have nuclear families, before this go girl s*** where women can be Bonnie Blue, then fail to bond with a man, don't want kids, and are happy to ignore the marriage bonds they made, well, it's a recipe for disaster. You talk about unaffordability now? It'll be a disaster in the end.
It's affecting the west because of our s*** attitudes. It doesn't affect the Muslims with their strong social construct does it.

You think house prices are what they are because more women are working?

That’s not just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, it’s getting 567.

 

[cryrst]

So people were allowed to be gay but not allowed to express themselves in actually being gay? Right.

It’s not all about the crusty starfish to have fun I’m sure.

 

[Common Sense Club]

You think house prices are what they are because more women are working?

That’s not just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, it’s getting 567.

If tomorrow it was announced that every 2nd, 3rd, 4th earning person in a household was taxed at 100% (basically only one earner per household), what do you think would happen to house prices going forward? And what do you think the non-earning person would do instead, assuming they are not OAPs?

 

[eaglesdare]

You also are not allowed to be gay in Islam.

 

[cryrst]

So you would rather people have kids before they can afford them and expect the government to pay for them?

Well it seems the norm now for the immigrants when you look at stats.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I agree, but it won't be to the extent that we solve the birth rate issue.

For example, poorer societies have higher birth rates.....It's a mindset.

And we have been pumping out anti natalist messaging for decades.

Poorer societies don’t have career women. That is part of the mindset and messaging. I don’t blame women for this, but I do blame them for the suicidal empathy on third world and illegal immigration and whatever next virtue signalling cause.

This reminds me of a Micky Flanagan joke where he jokes his missus brings up she fancies having kids. He replies, ‘’Bored of your job now are ya?’’

 

[Spindle]

You think house prices are what they are because more women are working?

That’s not just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, it’s getting 567.

Er, yeah. That and some other factors, such as

Financial deregulation
Selling of council rental stock
Sale of property to large scale landlords
The breakdown of the nuclear family leading to more single occupancy homes
Supply and demand
Immigration

Some of these things are symptons not causes, but the first cause was getting women working. Explain to us why it's not true. In fact explain away everything Dan we know you want to.

 

[eaglesdare]

It is interesting that bud light and Jaguar went down the Woke route and it hasn't turned out well for them. Compare and contrast with American eagle who did the opposite their shares and sales went up straight away.

 

[becky]

At least islam have the right idea. Woman arnt allowed to work and they have to pop out 5-6 kids. The men are also allowed to take multiple wives.

You missed the bit about the wives also not being permitted to say 'no' to their husband's sexual advances.......

Many on here may find that a plus......

 

[Rudi Hedman]

You think house prices are what they are because more women are working?

That’s not just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, it’s getting 567.

I look forward to your opinion but it is a big factor.

Women don’t need men financially like they used to or at all and have a bigger tick list or requirements or just a lot choosier. The dynamics have changed.

Successful women are in some jobs that men would be doing because of merit or other reasons. Well done to them. But think about it. This means more men are below them in earnings and/or status. Women then can’t find the man that they’re looking for and stay single for longer, long term or permanently. These are personal choices and observations. Obvious result is more single people living on their own creating more demand.

This isn’t the only factor as discussed but it is a major one, helped along by the contraceptive pill. Again, good luck to women, but these observations are true.

Where do we go on 20 something only males from third world countries flooding the country? Just adds to more demand, and no, the modern professional woman won’t be looking here for a partner, but they will on their right to live here, just not too close please.

 

[DanH]

Er, yeah. That and some other factors, such as

Financial deregulation
Selling of council rental stock
Sale of property to large scale landlords
The breakdown of the nuclear family leading to more single occupancy homes
Supply and demand
Immigration

Some of these things are symptons not causes, but the first cause was getting women working. Explain to us why it's not true. In fact explain away everything Dan we know you want to.

At least you’re aware of the real reasons rather than some far fetched reason because you don’t like feminism.

If you can show me some sort of empirical evidence to support it I will take it more seriously. If anything higher housing and rent costs mean that households NEED two incomes to be able to get on so it actively pushes women into work.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

If tomorrow it was announced that every 2nd, 3rd, 4th earning person in a household was taxed at 100% (basically only one earner per household), what do you think would happen to house prices going forward? And what do you think the non-earning person would do instead, assuming they are not OAPs?

A huge property crash would result from millions of mortgage defaults in larger properties needing 2 wages. Younger people would be able to get on the property ladder earlier if they are still in their job taxed at 100% living with their parents. That is if landlords and speculators haven’t got in before and scooped up too many properties to make this impossible yet again.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

At least you’re aware of the real reasons rather than some far fetched reason because you don’t like feminism.

If you can show me some sort of empirical evidence to support it I will take it more seriously. If anything higher housing and rent costs mean that households NEED two incomes to be able to get on so it actively pushes women into work.

It’s women working that has made that happen, not the other way round.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

You think house prices are what they are because more women are working?

That’s not just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, it’s getting 567.

show me some countries awash with career-women where housing is cheap ? show me some traditional societies where housing is beyond reach of the average blue-collar working man. Generous benefits, for single mothers, also crowds out the rental market. Over-inflating housing that should otherwise be cheap.

The US, UK, Ireland, France

vs

Morocco, Turkey, Mexico, India.

Wokery creates unaffordable housing and a fertility-crash.

 

[DanH]

It’s women working that has made that happen, not the other way round.

Show me some evidence then.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Show me some evidence then.

Look at the timeline. Women working more and having rewarding careers happened before housing costs increased.

 

[DanH]

A rudimentary AI output suggests exactly what I expected:

Research Findings:

• Some studies have found a positive correlation between female labor force participation and house prices, but this doesn't necessarily prove causation according to IZA - Institute of Labor Economics.
  
  
• Other research indicates that the relationship might be complex and influenced by various factors, including geographic location, housing supply, and other economic conditions.
  
  
• It's also important to note that other factors, such as interest rates, construction costs, and overall economic growth, also play a significant role in housing prices.

In conclusion:
While it's plausible that women entering the workforce contributes to increased housing demand and potentially higher prices, the relationship is likely more nuanced and interconnected with other economic factors. It's not a simple case of one directly causing the other.