Reform

[georgenorman]

The last paragraph is the most spot on thing anyone has posted on here for a while.

Whereas the Labour Party is a paragon of cohesion - any more suspension in the last five minutes?

 

[DanH]

Whereas the Labour Party is a paragon of cohesion - any more suspension in the last five minutes?

Losing 40% of their MPs within a year of the election and losing two council by-elections within months of them having any actual power suggests they aren’t exactly a credible alternative, George.

And I think Labour are doing pretty sh*te, too.

 

[silvertop]

Whereas the Labour Party is a paragon of cohesion - any more suspension in the last five minutes?

This thread isn't about Labour.

Your comment is a deflection.

Thinking of standing?

 

[DanH]

This thread isn't about Labour.

Your comment is a deflection.

Thinking of standing?

I think the funniest thing about the hard/‘dissident’/far right or whatever coat they’re trying to wear is that they are utterly incapable of staying aligned enough to actually ever be a credible alternative.

It’s the same as the other side of the political spectrum. You can have all the soundbites and as much popularity as you want, and shout loudly from the sidelines, but when it actually comes to having some responsibility in a position of authority it crumbles quicker than a sandcastle at high tide.

 

[georgenorman]

Losing 40% of their MPs within a year of the election and losing two council by-elections within months of them having any actual power suggests they aren’t exactly a credible alternative, George.

And I think Labour are doing pretty sh*te, too.

No political parties are credible.

 

[georgenorman]

I think the funniest thing about the hard/‘dissident’/far right or whatever coat they’re trying to wear is that they are utterly incapable of staying aligned enough to actually ever be a credible alternative.

It’s the same as the other side of the political spectrum. You can have all the soundbites and as much popularity as you want, and shout loudly from the sidelines, but when it actually comes to having some responsibility in a position of authority it crumbles quicker than a sandcastle at high tide.

The magnolia tree in my garden would be a more credible alternative to Starmer.

 

[georgenorman]

This thread isn't about Labour.

Your comment is a deflection.

Thinking of standing?

So in a thread where someone says Reform are divided you can't point out that Labour are too?

 

[Willo]

I think the funniest thing about the hard/‘dissident’/far right or whatever coat they’re trying to wear is that they are utterly incapable of staying aligned enough to actually ever be a credible alternative.

It’s the same as the other side of the political spectrum. You can have all the soundbites and as much popularity as you want, and shout loudly from the sidelines, but when it actually comes to having some responsibility in a position of authority it crumbles quicker than a sandcastle at high tide.

The country could not afford Reform's fantasy economics. Britain deserves leaders who do not treat economics like a branch of show business.

 

[DanH]

No political parties are credible.

So why are you defending Reform by attacking Labour in a thread about Reform?

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think the funniest thing about the hard/‘dissident’/far right or whatever coat they’re trying to wear is that they are utterly incapable of staying aligned enough to actually ever be a credible alternative.

It’s the same as the other side of the political spectrum. You can have all the soundbites and as much popularity as you want, and shout loudly from the sidelines, but when it actually comes to having some responsibility in a position of authority it crumbles quicker than a sandcastle at high tide.

The far more funny thing is that you think Reform are the DR or 'far right'.

It shows everyone just how much the ideological bubble you are in distorts your vision.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The country could not afford Reform's fantasy economics. Britain deserves leaders who do not treat economics like a branch of show business.

You mean like the traitorous lying Tory party?

 

[georgenorman]

So why are you defending Reform by attacking Labour in a thread about Reform?

Merely highlighting the hypocrisy - wasn't defending or attacking anyone.

 

[DanH]

The far more funny thing is that you think Reform are the DR or 'far right'.

It shows everyone just how much the ideological bubble you are in distorts your vision.

We know that. You know that.

Thinking you’re being clever by not being overt about who you actually support and what you actually think fools very few people on here.

 

[DanH]

How are the ‘Patriotic’ Alliance getting on these days anyway?

 

[Cucking Funt]

The far more funny thing is that you think Reform are the DR or 'far right'.

It shows everyone just how much the ideological bubble you are in distorts your vision.

Reform may not be 'far right' in the mould of, say, Mussolini or Salazar but they certainly display a mindset that believes Thatcher was a namby pamby liberal.

 

[DanH]

Reform may not be 'far right' in the mould of, say, Mussolini or Salazar but they certainly display a mindset that believes Thatcher was a namby pamby liberal.

Always knew you and the Thatch were kindred spirits.

 

[Willo]

You mean like the traitorous lying Tory party?

Straight from the Farage playbook.
🙄

 

[steeleye20]

To be a social democracy - we have always taken ideas from socialism and capitalism and sought to strike a balance between the two. We have just allowed ourselves to slide way too far to the 'capitalism' end of that spectrum and now need to slide back.

I think one of the things neoliberalism has done amazingly well at in this country is convincing people that there are no serious alternatives or other options, and that this is the best we can hope for.

None more so than the present government.

The present chancellor even thinks that universal benefit claimants should invest in stocks and shares.

RR's trickle-down economics, which has never ever worked, are de-regulation dressed as economic renewal, the same old s**te only worse.

If you could give labour the boot, then you would still be stuck with the same, unless the lefts revival is spectacularly successful.

The Guardian view on Reeves’s trickle-down economics: deregulation dressed as economic renewal | Editorial

Editorial: The ‘Leeds reforms’ revive a finance-first growth model – repackaging a failed economics as strategy, while sidelining real investment and wages

www.theguardian.com

Bring back the left.

Exhume Attlee.

😎

 

[georgenorman]

None more so than the present government.

The present chancellor even thinks that universal benefit claimants should invest in stocks and shares.

RR's trickle-down economics, which has never ever worked, are de-regulation dressed as economic renewal, the same old s**te only worse.

If you could give labour the boot, then you would still be stuck with the same, unless the lefts revival is spectacularly successful.

The Guardian view on Reeves’s trickle-down economics: deregulation dressed as economic renewal | Editorial

Editorial: The ‘Leeds reforms’ revive a finance-first growth model – repackaging a failed economics as strategy, while sidelining real investment and wages

www.theguardian.com

Bring back the left.

Exhume Attlee.

😎

Different times, different issues and problems. I'd bring back Ernest Bevin for sure - great man. By the way, if Socialism worked in practice, I would be all for it, but of course it does not and never will.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You'd be surprised.

I detest a great deal that comes out of Reform (surprised?). Tice's letters to the energy companies makes me want to stab him. In the bladder. Longest most painful death apparently.

Effective migration control (a policy you may have mentioned is close to your heart) may be one consolation; but you wonder so many successive governments pay lip service to aggressive policies.

The last lot had their tinpot scheme of Rwanda, the current lot keep it constantly in the news and boast about "improvements" over the last year etc. But it's largely face.

I know why. The old all vote and their top 2 issues are migration and health. Feed the NHS and stop the boats and you stay in power.

But why lip service? Why not just do it?

I hear a lot about difficult international logistics. But that is about the illegal migrants. You get no issue with me on that. There has to be control. But they are a pin prick compared to the legal migration over which we do have control.

Could it be resources? Why not? All public services are resource-starved. We have our own pet, former Border Control Officer on here who can confirm the coal face issues facing his profession.

But given its political importance, resources would be found if they genuinely wanted to do it. But they don't.

Could it be demographics? And I refer not to the illegals (migration policy window dressing) but the legal migrants from largely India, Poland, Pakistan, Romania, and Ireland of which India and Romania (??) present the largest groups. And for the purposes of this post I am also excluding those who come for "family" reasons (I suspect the majority from Pakistan).

Our birth rate is in the toilet, people are retiring and living forever, often with need for care and treatment for complex medical issues. Our working population is increasingly unreliable with poor motivation and productivity and falling in number. Lord help us if there really was a war. Have there been quiet words in the corridors of power that this nation would collapse if we actually cut the flow of young, hungry, healthy, enterprising migrants?

I know there is a post on immigration but that appeared a little gammon for my taste. So I will say one more thing on this. Migration - Emigration = number student visas. They are also keeping our world famed tertiary education industry alive.

Small wonder the lip service? Meanwhile, and finally back on topic, will Reform be the party that decides to cut through the economics to keep Britain for the British or whatever? It may work. It could be an economic miracle. But populist policies that cut through fiscal sense rarely do. Instead, what will be the cost such as those who, ironically, lose their job as their employer closes due to an enforced skills gap?

I have mentioned this before and I think it was Stirling who (like you?) assert that our economic prosperity is trumped by preserving our cultural identity. I am sure that many who are on a good pension will say the same. Less so, perhaps, those who are hungry and looking for work as the economy nose-dives and public services collapse from a diminishing tax revenue.

However, I suspect this will largely be academic. You refer to a party learning as it goes. If a party that has held office many times cannot cope after 14 years in opposition, what chance a new party learning on the job?

Also, the greatest threat to Reform is and always has been Reform. A party with a single charismatic leader backed by a disparate group of limited competence, constantly hacking chunks out of each other... We have seen how it behaves while a small protest party. It seems almost certain to violently and unpleasantly implode once any handed real power.

Your prediction of failure for Reform is wishful thinking from a lefty.

You don't seem to understand that the options when voting at an election are limited, and that public determination of the direction this country takes beyond that is virtually non existent. One is exercising the small bit of power one has in the hope of positive change.

Right now, we have a party in power that is lowering the voting age in a desperate attempt to fix an election. That is the dark hole the left is prepared to take us into in order to stay in power. Everything is worse than when they took over, and the Britain we knew is disappearing rapidly. They want to force us to take their medicine, when we know that it is killing us slowly. To do it, they will brainwash the naive, underdeveloped minds of school children.

Do you seriously expect me or anyone to be worried about Reform?

You will no doubt see more examples of the level the scum in power will stoop to in order to keep Reform out of power. It's almost like an outside force is directing them to destroy this country, because everything they do seems to be a move designed to that end.