Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[Willo]

From Steve Parish :

"Let’s put this ‘THEY missed the deadline’ nonsense to bed. Let’s say Me, Josh, David and everyone other than Eagle football had placed our shares in a ‘blind trust’ before March 1st. Three random people would have had control of the club since then but by UEFA’s interpretation of the rules we would still be out of the Europa League".

 

[chris123]

From Steve Parish :

"Let’s put this ‘THEY missed the deadline’ nonsense to bed. Let’s say Me, Josh, David and everyone other than Eagle football had placed our shares in a ‘blind trust’ before March 1st. Three random people would have had control of the club since then but by UEFA’s interpretation of the rules we would still be out of the Europa League".

Trustees are not random people it's a responsible job that works well for politicians and the like who need a vehicle to avoid conflicts of interest. No idea about the rest.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Trustees are not random people it's a responsible job that works well for politicians and the like who need a vehicle to avoid conflicts of interest. No idea about the rest.

Trust in any form/usage and politicians are two words that should never be seen together.

 

[NEILLO]

Trustees are not random people it's a responsible job that works well for politicians and the like who need a vehicle to avoid conflicts of interest. No idea about the rest.

I think you're reading too much into SP's use of the word '' random ''.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Have we appealed to CAS yet, if not, why not.

 

[Norbury Old Git]

Very good post. However you did omit to say that the Forest player on loan has now signed permanently for Strasbourg

You are correct but I felt the post was getting a bit too long so I edited it out. I’m sure there is more to come on this

 

[waterfordpal]

I’d say the Drogheda United - Silkeborg IF MCO case has more similarities with ours though. Both those clubs won domestic cups they weren’t really expecting to win, and each earned a place in the Conference League but the Irish finished lower in their league than the Danes so have been booted.


Uefa Conference League: Drogheda set to miss out on Conference League spot

I’m familiar with the Drogheda situation and there is no comparison whatsoever. Their owner knew when he bought the second club the impact it would have on Drogs and still went ahead. Textor had no reason to abide by a stupid March deadline when he did not have any control over how Palace are run.

 

[PatrickA]

Have we appealed to CAS yet, if not, why not.

Parish mentioned an appeal as 'an option' but also said he was hoping for an 'intervention' by senior UEFA figures to redress the situation.
If this intervention doesn't materialise it would seem that the appeal will follow.
However, CAS won't 're-try' the case and Palace will need to produce a persuasive reason for the appeal to succeed.
Apparently the Palace board had an emergency meeting in New York at the weekend where no doubt the ground has been prepared for the forthcoming battle.

 

[Willo]

Parish mentioned an appeal as 'an option' but also said he was hoping for an 'intervention' by senior UEFA figures to redress the situation.
If this intervention doesn't materialise it would seem that the appeal will follow.
However, CAS won't 're-try' the case and Palace will need to produce a persuasive reason for the appeal to succeed.
Apparently the Palace board had an emergency meeting in New York at the weekend where no doubt the ground has been prepared for the forthcoming battle.

I certainly do not envisage a scenario whereby "Senior UEFA figures", not directly involved in the ruling, intervene and rule in our favour thereby over-turning the decision taken by their own organisation.

 

[NEILLO]

I certainly do not envisage a scenario whereby "Senior UEFA figures", not directly involved in the ruling, intervene and rule in our favour thereby over-turning the decision taken by their own organisation.

Maybe not but my guess is that there is some lobbying going on in the background.

It’s hard to see how UEFA emerge from that situation with any integrity

 

[Norbury Old Git]

Parish mentioned an appeal as 'an option' but also said he was hoping for an 'intervention' by senior UEFA figures to redress the situation.
If this intervention doesn't materialise it would seem that the appeal will follow.
However, CAS won't 're-try' the case and Palace will need to produce a persuasive reason for the appeal to succeed.
Apparently the Palace board had an emergency meeting in New York at the weekend where no doubt the ground has been prepared for the forthcoming battle.

The meeting was possibly a forerunner to an appeal lodged in the New York office of CAS. We might then get 3 totally “independent” Advocates one each from Columbia, New York and Argentina. If it has to go to Switzerland or France then at least there are no Greeks and hardly any French but unfortunately no Austrians.

 

[dg1937]

I certainly do not envisage a scenario whereby "Senior UEFA figures", not directly involved in the ruling, intervene and rule in our favour thereby over-turning the decision taken by their own organisation.

And even if they did, I think we all know how the fat Greek would react. Parish is deluding himself if he believes what he is saying on this.

 

[PatrickA]

I certainly do not envisage a scenario whereby "Senior UEFA figures", not directly involved in the ruling, intervene and rule in our favour thereby over-turning the decision taken by their own organisation.

Parish's quote on this matter.
Separately there has been references to the fact that some UEFA figures are sympathetic to Palace's plight.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Everyone is angry and upset.
The case needs to be looked at by lawyers,, with a cool head.
Whether there is any merit in Palace appealing, is looking less likely as time passes.
We await confirmation from the club.
In the worst case scenario, we won the FA cup against a giant of football, and we're in Europe next season.
Sometimes you fight to the death, sometimes you have to suck it up.

 

[NEILLO]

Everyone is angry and upset.
The case needs to be looked at by lawyers,, with a cool head.
Whether there is any merit in Palace appealing, is looking less likely as time passes.
We await confirmation from the club.
In the worst case scenario, we won the FA cup against a giant of football, and we're in Europe next season.
Sometimes you fight to the death, sometimes you have to suck it up.

I hope Parish fights it all the way. Yes, it could end in “ sucking it up “ but if every effort has been made to reverse this wrong then so be it

 

[Eaglecoops]

Everyone is angry and upset.
The case needs to be looked at by lawyers,, with a cool head.
Whether there is any merit in Palace appealing, is looking less likely as time passes.
We await confirmation from the club.
In the worst case scenario, we won the FA cup against a giant of football, and we're in Europe next season.
Sometimes you fight to the death, sometimes you have to suck it up.

Do you know for sure we haven’t already appealed? I’m guessing any paperwork lodged at UEFA is not available to the general public?

 

[silvertop]

Everyone is angry and upset.
The case needs to be looked at by lawyers,, with a cool head.
Whether there is any merit in Palace appealing, is looking less likely as time passes.
We await confirmation from the club.
In the worst case scenario, we won the FA cup against a giant of football, and we're in Europe next season.
Sometimes you fight to the death, sometimes you have to suck it up.

If they operate according to our appeal principles, CAS are not supposed to put right wrongs. they are not supposed to apply their subjective views to correct what they deem to be a harsh decision.

Generally, they will look for an application by EUFA of the wrong rules or a wrong application of the right rules. Very legal and technical and ignoring most of the comments on this thread about us winning the Cup, fairness and so on.

My concern is that an argument based on Textor not having sufficient control will not succeed because EUFA considered that argument and decided, based on the facts before it and the arguments raised, that he did.

That they won't consider a purely "factual" appeal seems possible with their statement that it will not be a "retrial". The appeal will need to be surgical precise on rule application.

Pretty dull stuff. However, one ray of light. Where there is obvious wrong and rules need changing, appeal tribunals may sometimes stray from appeal restrictions and stretch credibility to achieve the "fair" outcome. I hope CAS are so minded in our case. However, they have shown little sign of that with anyone else on MCO issues.

 

[ASCPFC]

I think what Parish is suggesting is that the ECA (European Clubs Association) and the disciplinary committee are linked. We have been opponents of their set up for some time - look into it. I posted an article miles earlier. That's the one with the Qatari guy heading it - the PSG and ex Man City guy. They dislike us and the decision looks political and corrupt. Which would be normal enough.
However, they are entities under the UEFA hierarchy - and basically the UEFA heads are not happy with this. I think they may wonder about the optics but you also have to wonder will match fixing, or corruption come under scrutiny again. That could be embarrassing.
However, I'm pretty sure the El Binman is more powerful than UEFA overall but we'll see.

 

[silvertop]

I think what Parish is suggesting is that the ECA (European Clubs Association) and the disciplinary committee are linked. We have been opponents of their set up for some time - look into it. I posted an article miles earlier. That's the one with the Qatari guy heading it - the PSG and ex Man City guy. They dislike us and the decision looks political and corrupt. Which would be normal enough.
However, they are entities under the UEFA hierarchy - and basically the UEFA heads are not happy with this. I think they may wonder about the optics but you also have to wonder will match fixing, or corruption come under scrutiny again. That could be embarrassing.
However, I'm pretty sure the El Binman is more powerful than UEFA overall but we'll see.

The Americans and the Arabs have effectively carved up this elite sport. But I think they want it done with stealth. They don't want couch spuds watching their beloved sports thinking they are being played. Bad for business.

Possibly why the Americans reeled back from the super league and the authorities played lip service to the objections. They were revealed.

And why I hope the Arabs will reel back from this nonsense via the useful idiots they control in football's hierarchy. I suspect they would prefer to avoid the close scrutiny of their practices which Parish may have alluded to in his (for now) guarded comments.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

The 2025/26 UEFA Conference League third qualifying round draw takes place on Monday 21 July so we should know by then.