Israel v Hamas

CPFCSaturn said:
It certainly doesn’t permit you to bomb it to the ground.

In a 20-year campaign in Afghanistan, there was one hospital hit by a US air strike - 16 US military members faced disciplinary action as a result, and the Pentagon described it as a ‘tragic mistake’.

Israel have destroyed 34 hospitals in Gaza in 18 months, and people are sat here presenting that as perfectly acceptable.
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The Taliban didn't hide in hospitals, they were in mountain retreats. Not the sort of place you put a hospital.

ISAF did hit several weddings though
 
Spindle said:
Great. If that's what we agree on then why are you and your fellow supporters pressing the claim of genocide when you know that you have no proof. I've only reacted to the claim from your group
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You still can't answer 🤣

Stop deflecting and just own it - you've regurgitated a completely nonsensical claim.
 
HKOwen said:
So you have no answer to how to get your human shielded enemy, only don't so what you're doing now, and news flash, Gaza is not Afghanistan.
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It's funny because he was quick to deride the analogy with 7/7 as being a different scenario, yet wants to compare ISAF forces in rural Afghanistan with the IDF in densely populated city of Gaza
 
georgenorman said:
More or less, yes. Attacks on Israel, 9/11, 7/7 and all the numerous atrocities carried out worldwide by Islamists are all part of the war on non-Muslims being waged by Islamic Fascism, the main state involved being Iran.
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46,000 jihad attacks since 9/11 and counting.

But hey, don't fight back.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You still can't answer 🤣

Stop deflecting and just own it - you've regurgitated a completely nonsensical claim.
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You've given me an answer. We agree that theres no reliable figures therefore you cannot claim genocide, which is a cornerstone of your position, and equally I can't argue against that.

So, stop claiming genocide
 
Spindle said:
It's funny because he was quick to deride the analogy with 7/7 as being a different scenario, yet wants to compare ISAF forces in rural Afghanistan with the IDF in densely populated city of Gaza
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7/7 = domestic terrorist incident

Gaza / Afghanistan = militaries conducting operations in foreign states

Obviously Afghanistan, whilst not a perfect comparison, is a better one than something not even remotely similar 🤣
 
CPFCSaturn said:
7/7 = domestic terrorist incident

Gaza / Afghanistan = militaries conducting operations in foreign states

Obviously Afghanistan, whilst not a perfect comparison, is a better one than something not even remotely similar 🤣
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Gaza is a foreign state?

You are better off using Iraq as an example because it has battles in cities and towns. But either you are ignorant of modern combat or more likely you are aware of just how similar, in fact worse, that was. And the insurgents didn't even hide amongst the people during battle.
 
Spindle said:
You've given me an answer. We agree that theres no reliable figures therefore you cannot claim genocide, which is a cornerstone of your position, and equally I can't argue against that.

So, stop claiming genocide
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Hilariously dishonest - a liar who can't even accept when he's been caught.

I have never made any claims about a population count, because an average eight year old could probably figure out that a population count in an active warzone is not very likely.

The evidence of genocide is not reliant on an imaginary population count.
 
Spindle said:
Gaza is a foreign state?

You are better off using Iraq as an example because it has battles in cities and towns. But either you are ignorant of modern combat or more likely you are aware of just how similar, in fact worse, that was. And the insurgents didn't even hide amongst the people during battle.
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Sure, how many hospitals were bombed by western militaries in Iraq..?
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Hilariously dishonest - a liar who can't even accept when he's been caught.

I have never made any claims about a population count, because an average eight year old could probably figure out that a population count in an active warzone is not very likely.

The evidence of genocide is not reliant on an imaginary population count.
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Well that's a new one on us all. According to your logic when Stephen Lawrence was murdered those thugs were committing genocide, and being brutally successful at it, because population count doesn't matter.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Sure, how many hospitals were bombed by western militaries in Iraq..?
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Insurgents weren't in the hospitals.

The Geneva Conventions make clear that a hospital may lose its protections under international humanitarian law if it is used to commit “acts harmful to the enemy”, i.e. if it is taken over by enemy combatants to launch military attacks.

I'm amazed that you don't understand this.

Are you confirming that you consider Gaza to be a foreign state?
 
cryrst said:
Why do you think they should strengthen their defences. What could possibly happen if they don’t !!!
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No one is suggesting Israel doesn’t have a need to defend itself, even if the capacity of Hamas must be seriously weakened at the moment. Responding as Israel has will hardly have developed any love for them in the hearts of those children who survive having seen their parents and siblings blown to pieces. So strengthening future security is going to be essential.

The responsibility that Israel itself holds for the apparent, but questionable, lack of preparedness on Oct 7 is a subject that deserves greater discussion.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
7/7 was a domestic terror incident which had absolutely nothing to do with anything being discussed - and as evidenced above, allows for distraction and complete whatabouttery.
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Sorry I thought I was replying to this comment

“The same as any Western state who are victims of a terrorist attacks: enforce their borders, conduct targeted military operations against those responsible,”

Domestic maybe but conducted by Brits?
 
CPFCSaturn said:
We're now at:

'Seems you don't have a problem with Iran's terrorism, since you've pointed out that we're discussing a terrorist incident for which Iran had precisely 0 involvement. How about another completely unrelated event... do you condemn that one?'

The bar has never been so low.
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Seems we have pushed a button
 
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