Israel v Hamas

indianapalace85 said:
Anyone with a brain, (so for all your sakes, I'll explain it for you), being anti-IDF or anti-genocide, is not the same as anti-Jew.

If a bunch of terrorists were killing every UK citizen daily, do you think anyone would care about their religion? The priority would be to make it stop.

And don't make comments like "Hamas mates". It makes you look stupid. You don't want to looks stupid now do you?
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You do realise if every UK citizen were to be killed it would be a single event and could not occur daily as all would be killed the first day.
 
indianapalace85 said:
Anyone with a brain, (so for all your sakes, I'll explain it for you), being anti-IDF or anti-genocide, is not the same as anti-Jew.

If a bunch of terrorists were killing every UK citizen daily, do you think anyone would care about their religion? The priority would be to make it stop.

And don't make comments like "Hamas mates". It makes you look stupid. You don't want to looks stupid now do you?
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To be fair I have no evidence that you personally have any friends or mates that are members of Hamas.

I should have phrased it " the Hamas terrorists whose aims he supports "
 
indianapalace85 said:
Says the only person that can never actually reply.

Have you looked at your own replies?

Deflection
Ignoring
Calling me a teenager
Far Left

Your ignorance has made you boring and your lack of any kind of intellect only heightens your ineptitude and lessens my desire to debate you, because you have nothing tangible to even debate.

Cue another childish response from you....
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Projection: When a person unconsciously attributes their own feelings, traits, or behaviours to someone else. You have done this over the entire thread.
 
Twenty years ago today that four Islamic terrorists blew apart 840 people in London, killing 56 and physically and mentally maiming the others.
If they were alive today, the four degenerate Muslims would be on the weekly anti-Israel marches, they would be chanting ‘death to the IDF’ at music festivals, they would be posting in online forums in support of Palestine against Israel.
 
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Penge Eagle said:
Projection: When a person unconsciously attributes their own feelings, traits, or behaviours to someone else. You have done this over the entire thread.
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Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
 
Surprised there hasn't been any mention of Channel 4 broadcasting the 'Gaza: Doctors Under Attack' documentary last week - it was the one originally due to be shown on the BBC.

A detailed investigation into claims that that the IDF has been targeting Palestinian medics in Gaza with accounts from the doctors themselves as well as an Israeli whistleblower.

Harrowing stuff.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Surprised there hasn't been any mention of Channel 4 broadcasting the 'Gaza: Doctors Under Attack' documentary last week - it was the one originally due to be shown on the BBC.

A detailed investigation into claims that that the IDF has been targeting Palestinian medics in Gaza with accounts from the doctors themselves as well as an Israeli whistleblower.

Harrowing stuff.
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At least Channel 4 had the balls to show it.

The fact the BBC keep up this BS pretence of impartiality is embarrassing.

As Gary Linekar correctly said... "Why does the BBC need to be impartial? It needs to be factual. It wasn't impartial for Russia's invasion of Ukraine."
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Surprised there hasn't been any mention of Channel 4 broadcasting the 'Gaza: Doctors Under Attack' documentary last week - it was the one originally due to be shown on the BBC.

A detailed investigation into claims that that the IDF has been targeting Palestinian medics in Gaza with accounts from the doctors themselves as well as an Israeli whistleblower.

Harrowing stuff.
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I have not seen it but I assume that it presents a one sided argument and ignores Israels perspective and the complex realities of the conflict at hand.
 
eaglesdare said:
I have not seen it but I assume that it presents a one sided argument and ignores Israels perspective and the complex realities of the conflict at hand.
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How about you stop assuming things, watch it, and then make a judgement?
If you already made up your mind that it's unbalanced, then you're just following an agenda.

I have no issues seeing both sides... I'd happily see one from the Israeli's side and try to form a balanced assessment.
 
indianapalace85 said:
At least Channel 4 had the balls to show it.

The fact the BBC keep up this BS pretence of impartiality is embarrassing.

As Gary Linekar correctly said... "Why does the BBC need to be impartial? It needs to be factual. It wasn't impartial for Russia's invasion of Ukraine."
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Interestingly, just last week over 100 BBC staff signed an open letter declaring that they've been forced to do PR For Israel;

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Over 100 BBC staff signed an open letter on 3 July addressed to Director-General Tim Davie, accusing the broadcaster of failing its own editorial standards and acting as “a mouthpiece” for the Israeli government in its coverage of the war in Gaza.

The letter, also signed by over 300 media professionals including actors Miriam Margolyes and Charles Dance and director Mike Leigh, stated that the BBC’s coverage “falls short” in representing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with content that often resembles “PR for the Israeli government and military.”

Signatories cited internal censorship and editorial interference. According to the letter, BBC employees were accused of bias for sharing articles critical of Israel on social media, and contributors reported facing editorial pressure in the name of neutrality.

The decision to cancel the documentary ‘Gaza: Doctors Under Attack,’ despite approval by senior editorial policy staff, was highlighted as a key example.

BBC claimed the film did not pass final editorial checks and risked creating “a perception of partiality,” but insiders said the move was influenced by public statements made by journalist Ramita Navai, who has referred to Israel as “a rogue state.” The film was later acquired by Channel 4.

The letter also called for the resignation of Robbie Gibb, a board member of BBC, citing his ties to the Jewish Chronicle, which the signatories accused of publishing anti-Palestinian content.

BBC denied board-level involvement in the decision to pull the documentary, and said its Editorial Guidelines and Standards Committee played no role in the matter.

A BBC spokesperson responded by stressing the importance of “robust discussions” in the newsroom and reaffirmed the network’s “full commitment to covering the conflict impartially,” citing award-winning coverage such as ‘Life and Death in Gaza’ and ‘Gaza 101.’

On 1 May, BBC correspondent Rami Ruhayem emailed Davie and other senior staff, warning of “a collapse in the application of basic standards and norms of journalism” and saying BBC had failed to address “a mass of evidence-based critique” of its coverage of the events of 7 October 2023 and the days that followed.

Published by Jadaliyya on 18 June, Ruhayem’s email added that management had chosen to “oversee a continuation of the editorial direction BBC has taken since October.”

A 28 December report by Drop Site News said BBC editor Raffi Berg controls online coverage of the war in Gaza and plays a key role in downplaying criticism of Israel. Citing 13 current and former staff members, the report stated that Berg routinely weakens content that is “too critical of Israel.”

“This guy’s entire job is to water down everything,” one former journalist said. Others described a culture of “systematic Israeli propaganda” and editorial gatekeeping, including the dilution of Amnesty International’s genocide accusations.

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eaglesdare said:
I have not seen it but I assume that it presents a one sided argument and ignores Israels perspective and the complex realities of the conflict at hand.
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If you haven't seen it, I'm not sure there's much value in speculating on it.

I'm not aware of any 'complexities' which would warrant the detention and torture of medical professionals, nor the deliberate targeting of their family members.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Interestingly, just last week over 100 BBC staff signed an open letter declaring that they've been forced to do PR For Israel;

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Over 100 BBC staff signed an open letter on 3 July addressed to Director-General Tim Davie, accusing the broadcaster of failing its own editorial standards and acting as “a mouthpiece” for the Israeli government in its coverage of the war in Gaza.

The letter, also signed by over 300 media professionals including actors Miriam Margolyes and Charles Dance and director Mike Leigh, stated that the BBC’s coverage “falls short” in representing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with content that often resembles “PR for the Israeli government and military.”

Signatories cited internal censorship and editorial interference. According to the letter, BBC employees were accused of bias for sharing articles critical of Israel on social media, and contributors reported facing editorial pressure in the name of neutrality.

The decision to cancel the documentary ‘Gaza: Doctors Under Attack,’ despite approval by senior editorial policy staff, was highlighted as a key example.

BBC claimed the film did not pass final editorial checks and risked creating “a perception of partiality,” but insiders said the move was influenced by public statements made by journalist Ramita Navai, who has referred to Israel as “a rogue state.” The film was later acquired by Channel 4.

The letter also called for the resignation of Robbie Gibb, a board member of BBC, citing his ties to the Jewish Chronicle, which the signatories accused of publishing anti-Palestinian content.

BBC denied board-level involvement in the decision to pull the documentary, and said its Editorial Guidelines and Standards Committee played no role in the matter.

A BBC spokesperson responded by stressing the importance of “robust discussions” in the newsroom and reaffirmed the network’s “full commitment to covering the conflict impartially,” citing award-winning coverage such as ‘Life and Death in Gaza’ and ‘Gaza 101.’

On 1 May, BBC correspondent Rami Ruhayem emailed Davie and other senior staff, warning of “a collapse in the application of basic standards and norms of journalism” and saying BBC had failed to address “a mass of evidence-based critique” of its coverage of the events of 7 October 2023 and the days that followed.

Published by Jadaliyya on 18 June, Ruhayem’s email added that management had chosen to “oversee a continuation of the editorial direction BBC has taken since October.”

A 28 December report by Drop Site News said BBC editor Raffi Berg controls online coverage of the war in Gaza and plays a key role in downplaying criticism of Israel. Citing 13 current and former staff members, the report stated that Berg routinely weakens content that is “too critical of Israel.”

“This guy’s entire job is to water down everything,” one former journalist said. Others described a culture of “systematic Israeli propaganda” and editorial gatekeeping, including the dilution of Amnesty International’s genocide accusations.

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That's also pretty damning if true.

I've had a suspicion that the BBC has been floating Pro-Israel propaganda for a while.

The more whistleblowers the better.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Interestingly, just last week over 100 BBC staff signed an open letter declaring that they've been forced to do PR For Israel;

"

Over 100 BBC staff signed an open letter on 3 July addressed to Director-General Tim Davie, accusing the broadcaster of failing its own editorial standards and acting as “a mouthpiece” for the Israeli government in its coverage of the war in Gaza.

The letter, also signed by over 300 media professionals including actors Miriam Margolyes and Charles Dance and director Mike Leigh, stated that the BBC’s coverage “falls short” in representing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with content that often resembles “PR for the Israeli government and military.”

Signatories cited internal censorship and editorial interference. According to the letter, BBC employees were accused of bias for sharing articles critical of Israel on social media, and contributors reported facing editorial pressure in the name of neutrality.

The decision to cancel the documentary ‘Gaza: Doctors Under Attack,’ despite approval by senior editorial policy staff, was highlighted as a key example.

BBC claimed the film did not pass final editorial checks and risked creating “a perception of partiality,” but insiders said the move was influenced by public statements made by journalist Ramita Navai, who has referred to Israel as “a rogue state.” The film was later acquired by Channel 4.

The letter also called for the resignation of Robbie Gibb, a board member of BBC, citing his ties to the Jewish Chronicle, which the signatories accused of publishing anti-Palestinian content.

BBC denied board-level involvement in the decision to pull the documentary, and said its Editorial Guidelines and Standards Committee played no role in the matter.

A BBC spokesperson responded by stressing the importance of “robust discussions” in the newsroom and reaffirmed the network’s “full commitment to covering the conflict impartially,” citing award-winning coverage such as ‘Life and Death in Gaza’ and ‘Gaza 101.’

On 1 May, BBC correspondent Rami Ruhayem emailed Davie and other senior staff, warning of “a collapse in the application of basic standards and norms of journalism” and saying BBC had failed to address “a mass of evidence-based critique” of its coverage of the events of 7 October 2023 and the days that followed.

Published by Jadaliyya on 18 June, Ruhayem’s email added that management had chosen to “oversee a continuation of the editorial direction BBC has taken since October.”

A 28 December report by Drop Site News said BBC editor Raffi Berg controls online coverage of the war in Gaza and plays a key role in downplaying criticism of Israel. Citing 13 current and former staff members, the report stated that Berg routinely weakens content that is “too critical of Israel.”

“This guy’s entire job is to water down everything,” one former journalist said. Others described a culture of “systematic Israeli propaganda” and editorial gatekeeping, including the dilution of Amnesty International’s genocide accusations.

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Miriam Margolyes! Enough said.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
If you haven't seen it, I'm not sure there's much value in speculating on it.

I'm not aware of any 'complexities' which would warrant the detention and torture of medical professionals, nor the deliberate targeting of their family members.
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The only complexity is a Pro-IDF viewpoint that will believe it's fake to fulfill their agenda.

I'm all for seeing as much of a balanced view as possible.

Sadly, with the press/filmmakers banned from Gaza BY Israel, that's currently very telling.
 
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